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03-29-2011 , 06:27 PM

iLikeCaliDonks

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Been reviewing my losing sessions in 2/5. Its 60bb max buyin. My starting strategy is play super tight until I get to 100bbs. But in my losing sessions I never get over 70bbs. I'm usually card dead in my raising range and button limp stealing range(60bbs effective J10s+,AJo+). I try not to limp or call until I get a 100bb stack as well.

I know everyday your not going to be card dead. But what is some advice on building a stack with such a small stack. Am I missing something? I just hate in all my losing sessions I never get over 70bbs. While people are limping and limp calling winning racks.

All advice appreciated, Thanks in advance.

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03-29-2011 , 06:54 PM

IWearSportsJerseys

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It is variance--I see people who are limp call stations winning racks for several sessions in a row, but the long run in poker is far longer, especially live. To open your game up, you will require at least 100 bbs.

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03-29-2011 , 06:58 PM

iLikeCaliDonks

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Originally Posted by IWearSportsJerseys

It is variance--I see people who are limp call stations winning racks for several sessions in a row, but the long run in poker is far longer, especially live.

I'm looking to play poker. Not play bad and win. Its not my style, I can care less what others do in they're leaky game.

Its like I'm stuck in my nitty gear and my stack won't let me switch. I think I'm missing something or strategy on how to build a stack. Without getting any cards oop or on the button.

Am I?

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03-29-2011 , 07:04 PM

IWearSportsJerseys

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Nope, with a short stack, you are at the mercy of your cards. Ed Miller and Dan Harrington put it best:

http://www.cardplayer.com/cardplayer...for-wild-games

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03-29-2011 , 07:05 PM

Blargle

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks

I don't see a problem with limping/calling with more speculative hands earlier in your session as long as:

- you are confident in your hand reading abilities and have an edge on the table post-flop
- you have the right implied odds to see a cheap flop

If, for instance, it costs you $2 to see a flop with 57s and you know the pot will be at least $10... why not?

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03-29-2011 , 07:05 PM

iLikeCaliDonks

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I was thinking what if I defended my blinds more with suited connectors like in 6max games?

Could that help build a stack?

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03-29-2011 , 07:09 PM

IWearSportsJerseys

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Nope, playing hands OOP is not the way to go--if anything, you are helping to build the stacks of the CO and BTN by doing this in the long run.

I would suggest, if anything, opening up your own game in these two positions and playing good post-flop poker.

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03-29-2011 , 07:19 PM

iLikeCaliDonks

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Yup, but some days your card dead on button and co. Its funny I read that article and that is exactly my strategy lol.

I guess I just have to face it, with my buyin structure gotta get cards to chip up.

I just hate when I can't punish people. When they have super deep stacks and I have $350 lol. I don't get any cards or even a hand I can limp the button with.

I know the math says everyone gets the same amount of good hands. But when the fish are only going to play for 3 or 4 hours.

How is that possible?

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03-29-2011 , 07:23 PM

IWearSportsJerseys

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Poker is sometimes about catching lightning in a bottle, you have a hand that is good, and your opponent has a hand that is good but marginally worse. In the meantime, we use our discipline to fold if needed, our ability to recognize good spots to bluff/semi-bluff, and experience to know relative hand strengths in order to gain an edge that is small, meaningful in the long run, but extremely high-variance.

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03-29-2011 , 07:40 PM

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scelsi

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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks

I was thinking what if I defended my blinds more with suited connectors like in 6max games?

Could that help build a stack?

I think defending the blinds in a game that sees maybe 3 orbits per hour max is a leak - playing OOP with the bottom of my range usually results in ridiculous plays like float, c/r turn w/air that just aren't profitable compared with raising and cbetting IP.

edit: I see IWSJ already stated this (better).

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03-29-2011 , 07:47 PM

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scelsi

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In the meantime, we use our discipline to fold if needed, our ability to recognize good spots to bluff/semi-bluff, and experience to know relative hand strengths in order to gain an edge that is small, meaningful in the long run, but extremely high-variance.

Isn't it preferable in a live game with terrible players to forsake high-variance spots and near-flips, instead using your card-dead time to think about lines that get each opponent's stack, preparing for the one or two 80/20 spots in your favor that arise eventually?

Also: concentrate (if your room permits) on table selecting. I just listen for the loudest table, it's usually where the loosest (and most) money is flying around.

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03-29-2011 , 07:49 PM

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I disagree as long as it is +EV in the long run, both primarily (i.e. c-betting, double barreling, and semi-bluffing in certain spots will allow us to realize immediate profit) and secondarily (it will give us a looser image to get paid off when we hit monsters)

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