$1/$2 game.
Villain 1-CO-200- over values top pair, doesn't really spew calls down alot
Villain 2-BB-600- Young kid, pretty good, playing TAGGy
Hero-UTG-400- seen as tight, though limps alot. Most people know as a winning reg.

PF Hero UTG limps J10
4 others to the flop.

Flop $10 Q88
Hero bets out $8 gets called by CO and BB
Turn $34 9 How am I going to maximize value here, how can I get trip 8s to put lots of money in here, and full houses to stack off?

River 8. How do I get Q's to call here?

Results will come later.

Don't limp UTG

You absolutely should just bet turn and river for value. Don't make it harder than it is.

I just creamed at that board run-out.
Obviously bet bet bet.

Hope someone has A8 for Badbeat Jackpot!!

I pot turn and shove river hoping someone has 8 or Q on river.

If you get a call from a big bet ott, then that guy is rarely (if ever) folding otr on this board. So bet just big enough that the river will be an easy PSB.

Bet 100 ott, one caller (hopefully the guy with $600) and pot to river is 235ish, you'll have 290 left and can just shove river.

Bet turn big. No one folds an 8 here as long as you keep it under 100. Shove river. Any Qx that makes it to river likely calls.

I'd bet $30 on the turn and I'd shove that river all day. 8 never folds and a Q is calling a lot of the time.

Also, either fold or raise this hand UTG. Limping is losing play imo

How could you play it to not get full houses to stack off????????

You should check call this turn assuming the villain in the BB is checking here. By checking you will find out whether or not any of the other players have a hand that they feel can be bet for value/protection and whether or not to just try and extract max value on the river or shove. These games are so bad its just a matter of getting the pot built appropriately to set up for a believable shove. The problem you are going to experience here is getting the pot big enough to do this because you are limping UTG with J-10ss. Raise to 12-15 pre and you wouldn't have to post this thread.

AIDS, imo. This gets us the absolute minimum when turn checks through and not much more when someone beys and river is a blank. Go for the gusto. You'll make so much more in the long run.

Also if I saw a very "tight" player limping a lot I wouldn't consider him a tight player by any means. It's kind of impossible to have a tight range of starting hands and limp often. I would think that player is more of a loose-passive player (you know... a fish). Are you honestly viewed by these players as a "winning reg"? Not to say you that you are not one, but if the dynamics of your play at just this table are a guideline to your table image I would not expect that any winning regs would consider someone who plays somewhat loose and passive as a winning player. This could be very useful to you in this hand if taking the line I described. If you try to barrel three streets here I don't see how you are going to get action from anything but the tightest ranges of hands.

This pot is very very small for effective stacks and he already missed his opportunity to go for the gusto by not raising preflop. I wish I would have gotten my last post up sooner as it may have prevented you from even needing to respond to this one. His image, the preflop action and his postion tells me that firing here trying to build a pot on all streets is not going to get you action from the described villains, sorry (Unless this is an absolute cooler FH/8). We can still get action from any Q a few wired pairs and bluffs on this river. Hell in some of these 1/2 games we can get a lot of action from AXss

You don't give up max value just because you (arguably) made a mistake pre. Max value against big Qs and random 8s is much.more profitable than medium value against weak Qs and little PPs.

All of this. 100% of it....

Stupid auto correct. Qs, not As, obv. Corrected above.

Edit to add that limping is not the devil in games like this, though I agree that we're too deep for it at the moment.

1.) given the action I hardly believe any big Q is a large portion of any of these players ranges - so there goes half the max value you are referring to.
2.) You are right about getting the max from a random 8 here on the turn - which will bet when checked to. This will also disguise our hand going into the river (which in this case is irrelevant because we know someone might end up with quads here and getting value is going to be very easy)
3.) He is limping a lot. This is seen as signs of a weak/passive player. If he starts barreling here he is going to lose a lot of value from getting paid off by people betting for value to thinly and forcing them to fold out bluff catchers
4.) Just because you have a straight flush does not mean that you are entitled to get it all in. he is 200bb deep. Let's let someone make a hand that they can get 200 bb into the pot with.
5.) This is 1/2 nl. LIVE. 25nl games on FTP/stars have players that are above and beyond better than these guys. You are out of position, do not show immense strength and give these guys a chance to fold. Give them opportunities to bet. Let them make mistakes.

1) LLSNL players most common mistake is not betting too much, it is calling too much

2) lots of random 8s aren't betting when the flush card comes,.but the are calling

OTF, there are 2 callers, so we are most likely looking at QX, 8X, and draws. One opponent may have hit a flush ott also. If both have QX, one may still call, while 8X and flush will definitely call.

They either have a big hand or they don't, so value big, close to pot ott. Same for river.

Nice run-out, nonetheless I'd avoid limping from UTG with marginal hands. In position, whole other story.

You can't just assume you're going to play the hand to get max value for an 8 or a Q here on the river. At these stakes, if they have either of those cards (8 obv) you will have no problem getting a big bet called here. Players are so bad in these games the following scenario is entirely plausible:

BB leads turn with As X
you call
Vil calls.

River: 4th spade

gg

Same scenario, with the current river:

the guy with the AsX hand can easily barrel this river as no one has really shown that they have a hand that can call 2/3 to 3/4 pot here. Hard to believe that a Q/8 or overpair is out there - and incredibly hard for any flush to call when he's bluffing with the As blocker and really only hands that "Should" call/raise are: J-10ss, 8x, AA, KK, Qx. He knows AA and KK are almost never in your range as played so he only has like <2% of possible hand combinations to get through to take this pot down?

1.) Their most common mistake is calling when they're dominated preflop and betting for "no reason" ie: turning hands into bluffs when they should be played for pot control/showdown value etc.

2.) I believe a LOT of players are going to bet any 8,Q,draw,air here. Let's say out of the two one of them has the 8 (which again, if he does this is no problem for your river bc value is guaranteed here but lets assume river bicks) and we check to that player and call his bet. 2d falls on the river and we lead for pot right here (or we should be shoving but not raising preflop kind of prevents that play - depending on the remaining player(s) stack size) our story will make no sense and we are opening possibilities for some of their bluff catchers to call here because we did not let them fold on the turn.

Our opponents ranges are not guaranteed to be that small here. We need to include plans to get value from their obviously WIDE range of limping hands that don't piece into the A tier of this flop. Bluff catchers, draws, air, etc.

Ignore people saying dont limp utg. If the table is really passive its fine.

Bet 35 on turn and psb on riv. Barring some crazy soul read im calling a raise on the riv also

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1/2 NL players are not known for checking back vulnerable hands and playing pot control. They bet mediocre hands in bad spots to "protect" and "charge" players because they all believe they are entitled to win the pot because they flopped top pair and intern over commit with weak holdings and pay off very lightly.

Um, you would consider folding this river why...?

He has the absolute nuts, he cannot lose.

Clearly I understand why you think limping in EP is ok.

Sorry sir but your advice is terrible...checking this turn is dreadful.

You do realize this is a 3 way pot right?

OP just bet turn 20-25 (prob closer to 25) and bet river big (like overbet pot) on this run out. FH is not folding.