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Standard squeeze? Standard squeeze?

03-10-2011 , 03:01 PM
Is this a pretty standard spot for a squeeze? I've been trying to work on squeezing a lot since reading this thread.

$1/$2 club table is pretty deep stacked, but lacking a few regulars, it has become very loose and passive – hardly any 3-bets in a game usually rife with them.

Hero has $230. All V’s cover, some significantly. Hero has complained a handful of times the last 3 hours about being card dead, but has backed it up by not getting into hardly any pots (I don't think I'm that much of a nit...I was just legitimately that dead). Won a single $60 pot with 99 with c-bet on a 8-2-2 board and showed the hand about an hour before this.

UTG + 1 raises to $12 (typical raises have been in the $15-$20 range)
MP, HJ, CO and BTN all call.
Hero wakes up in SB with A Q and makes it $55 to go.

Bet size too small? Original raiser was slightly below average player for the group.
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03-10-2011 , 03:03 PM
Like most squeezes, it depends to a large extent on the openers range.
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03-10-2011 , 03:12 PM
This is 1/2 we're talking about. Nobody folds. Maybe one guy out of 10 notices that you have been playing tight.

If original raiser doesn't shove, and just calls, you have an avalanche of callers. 330 in pot , you're first to act, now what?

I do not like this play in SB position. I probably just call and hope to flop big.
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03-10-2011 , 03:13 PM
Don't like a squeeze oop - it's going to put you in a tricky spot if you don't get the folds you are looking for.

$48 in right now, with your $55 makes it about $160 if you the initial raiser calls, with you, what only $150 behind? You'll be playing for stacks at that point.

Sarge
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03-10-2011 , 03:15 PM
I have seen squeeze plays used in limped pots with some success. In a pot that is raised and has a bunch of callers, I am less in love with the idea of saying that a pot sized raise is a squeeze. More likely you are going to pickup the guy who has something close to a real hand.

My personal experience with this was being on the button during limped pots with the guy in the BB always making a 8-10 times the POT sized raise if there were 4-6 limpers ahead. Yes, betting $80 to win $12. That seemed to work well for him. That is, until I woke up with KK on the button and limped $2. The rest should be intuitive to everyone else. Or, someone had to rebuy, and it wasn't me.
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03-10-2011 , 03:47 PM
Def. squezze here.
If you call you have to play a 6-7way pot oop, which is not a very good
spot with a hand like AQ, that can make decent TP hands.
Just squezze big, and play a HU-3way pot (and btw. with that much money
already in the pot i am not unhappy if i take it down pre).
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03-10-2011 , 04:18 PM
I dont mind the idea.

The sizing kills me though.


60 in the pot before you. now with your raise its 115.

Leaving utg some decent odds.... forget about the players after him. One call and everyone is like zomg im so priced in!

Now you have a bloated pot oop with about a psb left.

You need to know how wide the utg open range is. If its wide enough you might want to make it in the 100 range. The pots big enough now, just take it.
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03-10-2011 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by grindme
If its wide enough you might want to make it in the 100 range. The pots big enough now, just take it.
If this is the case why not just shipp it? If original raiser flats the hundo, I've only got half pot bet left?

Even if the $55 does get called in, say, 2 spots, I've still got an almost 90bb bet left to fire. I know it's not a great SPR, but if I make it $100, I'm getting (correctly?) called by most everything on the flop. Might as well just get it in, IMO.
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03-10-2011 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by esox lucius
This is 1/2 we're talking about. Nobody folds. Maybe one guy out of 10 notices that you have been playing tight.

If original raiser doesn't shove, and just calls, you have an avalanche of callers. 330 in pot , you're first to act, now what?

I do not like this play in SB position. I probably just call and hope to flop big.
Is just calling here and taking a flop in horrible position with a pretty powerful hand really that great of an idea? What flops are you betting at -> 2 pair or better?
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03-10-2011 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtlad
My personal experience with this was being on the button during limped pots with the guy in the BB always making a 8-10 times the POT sized raise if there were 4-6 limpers ahead. Yes, betting $80 to win $12. That seemed to work well for him. That is, until I woke up with KK on the button and limped $2. The rest should be intuitive to everyone else. Or, someone had to rebuy, and it wasn't me.
Except that I hadn't been active at all lately and hardly ever show aggression from the blinds as a general rule (something the others know).
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03-10-2011 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
i shove.
So $230 into $60 pot?
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03-10-2011 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
Is this a pretty standard spot for a squeeze? I've been trying to work on squeezing a lot since reading this thread.
I'm not going to repeat myself. My full response is in that thread.

The purpose of a squeeze is to get everyone to FOLD. Without a good understand of the first villain's raising range, you should be doing a squeeze play around 0% of the time. Since you haven't provided a pf raising range, I can only assume you don't have it. I hope you don't think that your $55 raise is going to fold everyone? Shoving is certainly better than raising, but if I want to play shove/fold poker, I can play in a tournament.

If everyone folded, congrats.
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03-10-2011 , 07:00 PM
I would flat and play some poker. If I had A K automatic raise I might even shove given ranges. But since you don't have any ranges, raising for value here is idk maybe meh at best if your up against AA,KK,QQ or AK.
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03-10-2011 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
I'm not going to repeat myself. My full response is in that thread.

The purpose of a squeeze is to get everyone to FOLD. Without a good understand of the first villain's raising range, you should be doing a squeeze play around 0% of the time. Since you haven't provided a pf raising range, I can only assume you don't have it. I hope you don't think that your $55 raise is going to fold everyone? Shoving is certainly better than raising, but if I want to play shove/fold poker, I can play in a tournament.

If everyone folded, congrats.


Sarge
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03-11-2011 , 03:42 AM
Interesting post/spot. If my image is a rock I will 3 bet big here, I believe it is +ev if they half understand your image, particularly the original raiser. If they call down no matter what, then meh... I'd make it 60-65 to go if they pay any attention
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03-11-2011 , 04:15 AM
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If this is the case why not just shipp it? If original raiser flats the hundo, I've only got half pot bet left?

Even if the $55 does get called in, say, 2 spots, I've still got an almost 90bb bet left to fire. I know it's not a great SPR, but if I make it $100, I'm getting (correctly?) called by most everything on the flop. Might as well just get it in, IMO.
I dont mind getting it in here at all.

But shoving just seems meh to me. I dunno why. I just dont like it.

If youre making a squeeze its to get people to fold. If they dont fold to the hundred and flat, which they really shouldnt, oh well. You're shoving any flop and they should have just moved all-in preflop.
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03-11-2011 , 04:39 AM
Tough spot.

I don't like your raise to $55 at all. If original raiser calls, so does every other player, and now you're first to act with $175 in a $330 pot 6 way.

I don't mind flat calling and hoping to flop big, but I generally don't like this play. You're the short stack at the table, OOP, and are often put in a position where you get your money in bad because it's 6-handed and you can't really put the players on a definitive range. If you hit the board decent in any way, it's difficult to get away with your stack size.

I like a $100 squeeze. The only person that could really have you crushed is UTG+1, and his raise to $12 (when the flow has been $15-$20) doesn't scream AA, KK, QQ or AK.

I'm calling any shove.

If there's 2 or 3 callers, I'm shoving any board.

If there's 4 or more callers, I'll play according to the flop.
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03-11-2011 , 04:41 AM
I pretty much hate a shove here given your image. We are never getting better to fold and since you've played so tight AJ is folding all day. Venice is right about UTGs opening range, but I'm just going to assume it's like every $1/$2 game I've playing in and he's opening pocket pairs, SC, and broadway cards. I would squeeze here all day, but certainly make the sizing bigger. $75 and shove the flop when called.
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03-11-2011 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
I'm not going to repeat myself. My full response is in that thread.

If everyone folded, congrats.
I'm certainly not looking for you to repeat yourself. I've really enjoyed that other thread and am trying to work on my play in situations like this. I think I'm calling way too often and want to work on either being aggressive when needed or just getting out of the way.

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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
Interesting post/spot. If my image is a rock I will 3 bet big here, I believe it is +ev if they half understand your image, particularly the original raiser. If they call down no matter what, then meh... I'd make it 60-65 to go if they pay any attention
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I pretty much hate a shove here given your image. We are never getting better to fold and since you've played so tight AJ is folding all day. Venice is right about UTGs opening range, but I'm just going to assume it's like every $1/$2 game I've playing in and he's opening pocket pairs, SC, and broadway cards. I would squeeze here all day, but certainly make the sizing bigger. $75 and shove the flop when called.

While this is only a 1/2 game, it is not full of total donks. It's not in a casino where you have Keno senior citizens just walking by and goofing off. The game is pretty attentive and can be reactive to what they perceive. When a player is particularly card dead, they tend to not get action if they "wake up" with a hand. This is what I was trying to achieve. I guess a lot of what I'm looking for here is the proper amount to bet because I think raising is right and I think shoving is just overkill (likely winning the same pot, but risking significantly more than needed). All that being said, original raiser is the player in the hand I know the least about, but I read his light bet from EP as liking his hand, not loving his hand.
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