Im playing at the hard rock in tampa at the 2/5 table. 8 players at table, recognize two regs, both very solid but a little too aggressive iMO. The other 5 players are between fish and break even players. V1 ( 50s TA) is to my left in the HJ. im in BB. Aggressive regs are V2 in late position, and V3 button. Btw the two regs know each other, soft playing has been going on between them, i hate them. Effective stacks 750. Hero covers about 950.
Hero-67
V3 ($500)- straddles. Been doing this almost every button.
SB - folds
Hero(950)- calls ( ive been very tight only played two hands last hour, mainly because of the ****ing agro straddling my blind)
V1 (750) -limps
Folds to agros V2, V3.
V2-calls
V3 button- checks (surprisingly)

Flop-453

Hero-checks nuts
Checks all around

Turn- 453 2

Hero- checks
V1- checks
V2-checks
V3- $45
Hero-thinks couple seconds and calls
V1- raise to $100
Folds around back to hero- tanks for 15 seconds and reraises to $200 (trying to represent flush draw or only 6 high straight)
V1- tanks for almost two minutes and shoves remaining $650
Hero-snap calls

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Did I play this well? I knew if I had bet flop or opened turn I wasnt going to get much action. Is anybody else trying this or would you bet flop and turn?

fold pre unless there are very loose payers stacking off post light. even if u hit big its hard to win big pot unless someone else hits two pairs+ or is really bad.

bet flop. 2/3 pot is good. turn i like a CR to build a pot as leading out Ax just calls ur bet. reraise bigger. reraise to $260 or so to set up river shove. shove any river if he flats.

So let me get this straight (no pun intended)...

You completed garbage connectors in the blind at an aggressive table that will likely result in calling another bet preflop.

Proceeded to flop the nuts.

Slowplay the hand like 99.9% of all players.

Min-check raise the turn like 98.9% of all the losing players.

Coolered a guy who turned one card straight.

And asking whether it's a beautifully played hand?

No, far from it.

Fold pre. You have aggros after you and your hand will not stand up to a raise, especially OOP.

AP, bet out. You are deep and aren't gonig to play for stacks if it checks around, and board is too dry for much of V's holdings to come along for a C/R. Further, even aggro Vs aren't betting air 4-ways, so the chances of this board checking through are too high. Your line should be b/b/b, imo. You'll get value from SDs, pair plus draws, two-pair and 33-99.

AP, I generally bet the turn. We're getting raises from bare 6s here a lot, and aces sometimes, and we deffo want to play for stacks. If we're pretty sure someone will stab at it, though, I like your c/c/3! line, as the above still applies and we'll also get some more money in the pot first, making getting stacks in by the river much more likely.

Well I had been playing extremely tight for over an hour and even though V2 and V3 were agros they are also very perceptive. Also ive played with both of them a few times and they know I will limp with big hands just to 3bet them pre and shut them down. Im not saying I was going to three bet with 67 but I would have called up to a 25 dollar raise coming from the straddle. I think playing hands like low connectors afted long periods of tightness can be very profitable. I also think folding every hand for up to 30 minutes and then limp calling a straddle shows a relative amount of hand strength.

If you're in the BB, then preflop is too loose unless the table is very passive and no one is likely to raise behind. Since V3 likes to raise his straddle, that doesn't appear to be the case.

Flop seems fine assuming someone is likely to bet (which illustrates why PF is bad as we will usually be flopping draws / weak pairs that we won't be able to continue with OOP). Otherwise, lead out. No one will put you on the nuts when you lead the flop.

Turn check is awful after flop checks through. No one is going to bluff at this board, and no one is going to fold an A or 6 to a bet. Just lead out and get value. Once V3 bets, raise. He's not folding a straight. Once you decide not to, you should actually shove over V1's raise since again, no one is folding a straight.

So no, you didn't play the hand beautifully, but you did get lucky that the 2 came on the turn. Most of the time, the turn is not a deuce and you just miss value against 6x that's always calling a flop bet.

I think you should bet the flop. I don't what the Villain's have but someone could have had 78 and the turn come a six, and you would've faced a hard decision.

I don't know what draw folds the flop and gets excited on the turn, a wheel (Ax)? It doesn't make sense.

Nobody is likely folding an open-ended draw on the flop.

I think you should check if you can't think of any obvious hands to call a value-bet. But that's not at all true here. Get value from:
1. 2-pair
2. Over pairs.
3. sets
4. straight draws
5. top pair
6. pair + gutshot

2001 nearly every time. One of the guys was <name excised> 30s white guy and I dont know the other guy also 30s white. And the soft play wasnt very excessive but I did notice it.

Villian had 65

I need to move to Florida.

This is an outlier. The games are super tough and aggro. Even at the lower limits. No money in FL, everybody's solid.

All the more reason to bet the flop.

The post you were responding to was on the edge of trolling, so I deleted it. We don't allow outing the names of players unless they agree or are already famous. Please read the stickies. Also, his point was that you need to stop blowing your winnings.

No levels allowed in LLSNL strat threads, Tootie. You know that.

This.

this is a terrible call preflop... you said flat out that V3, the BTN straddler is aggro, so your first thought with 76o is to limp from the BB?!?! PLUS V2 is also aggro and is in LP.

so you're basically calling 76o knowing that some large % of the time you're going to face a raise, have a crappy hand and be OOP. that is just terrible logic/thought process. you should run to the strip clubs before you lose that money.


as for the hand. you double check, call, back min raise.... sigh... V1 is ******ed. any person with half a brain is laying down 99% of their range there. congrats on the win...

Alright so considering the fact that you know most people in florida are solid, is it safe to say that there almost no way im stacking this guy if I show strength and bet the flop? Otf im representing bluff/6x or better in which case he's folding or proceeding with caution ddefinitely not raising with just a paired 5 and oesd, and agros arent stabbing at pot (more money for me) and probably folding. On the turn i guess im betting again in which case there is four to a straight otb and the only reason im shoving for 850 after that point is if I have the nuts. Right?

*sigh*

I was joking about the players in FL being solid - there's plenty of good spots. Me being one of them of course

That said, 65 is never folding that flop so you might as well bet out to get action and build a pot.

Slowplaying generally is AIDS.

Florida has literally the softest games in the country, in my experience. And slowplaying is generally only right when you absolutely crush the board, like flopped quads with the unpaired card being a rag, and need to let your Vs catch up.

On raggedy rainbow boards, slowplaying the nuts is generally losing a ton of value.

Colorado tho.

I've heard MDL plays like 2006.

Beautiful this line is not.

I think every street is played is played poorly tbh.

fold pre, lead flop, lead turn. you are just giving value away. congrats on coolering someone.

So tell how im STACKING this guy in any situation where I open flop and presumably follow suit on turn and river. Which is the main point of slow playing.

And I get its a horrific preflop limp but the button was checking his straddle occasionally, and added to the fact that I hadn't played a single hand in half an hour i figured he would have been more reluctant to.

I wasn't saying you should take a b/b/b but IMO you got lucky your opponent was a mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger who has no concept of hand strength.

Yay for stacking him and all but your line is far short of optimal.

Lol im sure the guys not a great player but I doubt hes ******ed. He probably just thought I picked a flush draw and wanted to up the pot to put all in on river if I hit. Idk.

But seriously theres no way I make more than another $115 if I play it strong from the flop. I knew i was def making half that from the agros if i checked twice. Also if I bet flop for idk half pot what other logical thing can I do other than bet turn and river - b/b/b?

smh. In this cooler situation, you bet flop it ends up exactly the same. You bet half pot, he calls with his pair plus SD. You bet turn, he raises when he hits his straight and you GII OTT.

In a more normal situation, where he doesn't hit the second nuts, you bet/bet/bet for about 2/3 pot, and he calls with his pair plus SD and rivers two-pair and makes a crying call, you make about $150 off him, and that's without any raises or anyone else putting money in. OTHO, if you slow play it twice, he checks back for the free card twice, you bet river and he calls with two pair on a scary board, you make $15. Which is better?

Sure, you want to stack him, but in a limped pot on a raggedy board, that will take a silly cooler like the one you got, and in that case your line doesn't matter much, as all the money is going in anyway.

Ok so in the first situation are YOU getting stacked everytime when you have 65? When you have 650ish behind and only invested -% 18 of your stack. just to make less than 10 dollars if I dont have nuts? And I say - $10 because the agros are folding on the flop and at best we are splitting pot.