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Should I keep them on the hand? (5/3 Commerce) Should I keep them on the hand? (5/3 Commerce)

03-16-2015 , 03:01 AM
This is a simple hand, that ends on the flop. However, I wonder if is good, or advisable, keeping them on the hand.

Im in the button, 250 in chips and K6 I have somewhat a Tight image. Folding to the hijack (tag, around 350), who calls, the rest fold, I raise to 20.
The SB, a LAG, calls, and the BB folds. HJ calls.

The flop is 78K Awesome. Everyone checks, I bet 40 in a 60 pot, and everyone folds. Standard.

Is it advisable look for a way to keep them on the hand? I get that if they fold, they don't have a thing, at least, they didn't connect with the flop. So, what about a smaller bet, trying to look like a probe bet, lets say, 20? Or the extreme option, checking?

What do you guys think?

Last edited by DPCharly; 03-16-2015 at 03:12 AM. Reason: make it clearer
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03-16-2015 , 05:05 AM
I like the bet. This game plays so short nobody is folding a K or flush draw. This is a tough game to beat isn't it? $200 buy in 3/5 blinds and they drop $6 or $7 per hand
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03-16-2015 , 08:34 AM
Preflop sucks. Nobody folds anything in these games with 50 BB and you're raising a very speculative hand 4x. There's no justification for playing anything other than quite tight pre in this spot, no matter how good you are postflop.

Once you get to the flop of course you cbet. The pot is of good size relative to your stack so you're happy to take it down. With an SPR slightly under 4 you can cbet on the small side, maybe as little as 1/2 pot, but I wouldn't go any smaller than that. Checking the flop would be quite bad; there are still plenty of hands that have decent equity against you.
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03-16-2015 , 08:49 AM
preflop is not horrible. limping is also an option. you're on the button, vs someone who open limped in late position and two random hands. i would probably opt to fold myself but raising is probably close to break even and has some nice ancillary image benefits.

checking this flop would be an absurd mistake.
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03-16-2015 , 10:14 AM
Given stack sizes, I'm not a huge fan of the PFR, simply because we don't have enough fold-equity with a raise of this size, and raising any larger denies us a lot of our post-flop maneuverability. As such it's a fold pre-flop, especially with the absurd rake structure which is not pot-size dependent. If we're all 100BB effective it's fine though.

Additionally, I'd work on having much more detailed and accurate descriptions of your opponents. A TAG is not open-limping, let alone from the HJ, and a LAG is likely not calling raises OOP, especially with these stacks. Just from the PF action I'm assuming that the TAG is actually a TAG-fish (loose-passive with hands a TAG would fold, TAG otherwise), and the LAG is probably a donk-station (will do anything but fold very often).

Finally, regarding the actual flop, this is a must c-bet, because there are all sorts of inferior hands which can call us in terms of straight/flush draws, as well as pairs of all sorts. Even against a better Kx we're nearly even money. It's also worth noting that a TAG-fish's limp-calling range consists of a tonne of suited connectors and AXs which are very likely to have connected with this board and as such call a bet.
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03-16-2015 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
…Once you get to the flop of course you cbet. The pot is of good size relative to your stack so you're happy to take it down. With an SPR slightly under 4 you can cbet on the small side, maybe as little as 1/2 pot, but I wouldn't go any smaller than that. Checking the flop would be quite bad; there are still plenty of hands that have decent equity against you.
Could you elaborate? Like, what hands have equity here… and what is SPR??

Thanks for commenting.
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03-16-2015 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Corto Montez
Additionally, I'd work on having much more detailed and accurate descriptions of your opponents. A TAG is not open-limping, let alone from the HJ, and a LAG is likely not calling raises OOP, especially with these stacks. Just from the PF action I'm assuming that the TAG is actually a TAG-fish (loose-passive with hands a TAG would fold, TAG otherwise), and the LAG is probably a donk-station (will do anything but fold very often).
Good point, Thanks. But…

I tagged TAG because in a couple of times this guy raised and folded to a three bet. I might be wrong but I don't know how to call him.

The LAG, every time that he entered in a pot was raising, I was actually surprised he just limped here.

At the end, I think is all about my image at that moment.
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03-16-2015 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DPCharly
Could you elaborate? Like, what hands have equity here… and what is SPR??

Thanks for commenting.
There's plenty of flush draws, pairs, straight draws, etc.

SPR is stack to pot ratio. A higher SPR puts you in stickier situations compared to a lower SPR where it's just easier to make your decisions.

I am also fine with preflop raise. I think you are completely fine raising most suited aces and kings especially if it is limped to you. You have to bet the flop. Bet size is fine. You still won the pot and that is a victory.
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03-16-2015 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by andorrak

SPR is stack to pot ratio. A higher SPR puts you in stickier situations compared to a lower SPR where it's just easier to make your decisions.
Makes sense now. Thanks!
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