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Should I have played this hand differently? Should I have played this hand differently?

10-27-2010 , 01:10 PM
Game 2/3
Villain 1 SB $200 did not played many hands.Often tried to still the button.
Villain 2 UTG $250 Trying desperately to win a hand and as a result chasing with TPMK.
Hero MP $750 getting hot. Won last 5 of ten hands. AQ
One limper, I decide to limp also (previously I have raised all AK; AQ and AJ. This time I wanted to change)

Villain 1 raises to $22; Villain 2 calls; Limper folds, Hero raises to $50.
Both Villains called.
Pot $150
Flop: AQJ
Check, check hero AI
Was this a good play or should I have made a 1/2 pot bet to try to get more value? The reason for my bet was obviously the drawing board.
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10-27-2010 , 01:24 PM
I thought this had to be a level but I read your other threads/posts so I guess not. Well first of all, there is no reason to overlimp AQo in this spot because I'm assuming villains at your table aren't going to remember that you raised with AQ earlier so there's no way you can limp it now. And the overlimp min craise is terrible. There's really no need for deception at the average 1/2-2/3 table.

Given stack sizes of villains I don't mind a shove OTF here due to the fact that their ranges are still wide because you only min raised pre.
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10-27-2010 , 01:33 PM
what is this i don't even
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10-27-2010 , 01:38 PM
Just because we've raised AK/AQ/AJ before isn't a reason for not-raising AQ. If anything, it's a good reason to raise as people will less likely think we actually have a hand again. I don't like playing AQ in multiway pots, so I'm iso-raising the limper here all day every day with the plan to c-bet the flop, take it down and buy a hot dog. I'm also thinking AQo ain't exactly a hand we should be fist-pumping limp reraising either, and especially not min-raising after we've already got a caller inbetween, which is basically guaranteeing a 3way pot with us stuck in the middle. So I sorta hate the preflop plan.

Pot is $150 and villain's only have $150 and $200 left. Any A will probably pay us off (especially AK with the straight redraw), as will AJ. Heck, even tilting KK/TT might even pay us off and other stupid draws. Shippitty doo dah for me.

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10-27-2010 , 01:40 PM
preflop is kind of bad, flop is pretty std given stacks etc.
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10-27-2010 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
I thought this had to be a level but I read your other threads/posts so I guess not. Well first of all, there is no reason to overlimp AQo in this spot because I'm assuming villains at your table aren't going to remember that you raised with AQ earlier so there's no way you can limp it now. And the overlimp min craise is terrible. There's really no need for deception at the average 1/2-2/3 table.

Given stack sizes of villains I don't mind a shove OTF here due to the fact that their ranges are still wide because you only min raised pre.
My raise was to induce a call (which it did). Raising more might have get them away due to the size of their stack.
I got $100 out of them.
Please explain what a level is! Thank you.
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10-27-2010 , 02:03 PM
Pf is bad cuz there really is no need for deception at most 1-2/2-3 games. The fact that u have a winning image is all the more reason to continue to play aggressively and just raise pf, no need to get tricky here. Also I really hate limp min raising pf with AQ in general. As played you've built a big pot pf and flopped top 2 now get the monies in.
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10-27-2010 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by grotto1
My raise was to induce a call (which it did). Raising more might have get them away due to the size of their stack.
I got $100 out of them.
Please explain what a level is! Thank you.
Wow...inducing a call. Interesting. Pre is just dreadful.

And I agree FPS is just not necessary at these levels. Play ABC and you will win moneys.
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10-27-2010 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by grotto1
Please explain what a level is! Thank you.
A level is when you try to get a gullible person to respond seriously to a post that is ridiculous after some thought.

A l/min 3bet with AQ is not a standard play. Then you hit 2 pair with an SPR of about 1 and are asking whether you should give odds for a FD to call against you.

I applaud Jarretman for doing some digging before responding. As you can guess from the responses, a shove on the flop is standard.

That said, I want to encourage you to keep posting. If you dig far enough back, you can see some really horrendous posts I made early on. Yours isn't even close to as bad as some of mine were. That's how we all learn. We all know this is an entry level forum, so don't worry about posting what you think.

Hope to see more of your postings.
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10-27-2010 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
A level is when you try to get a gullible person to respond seriously to a post that is ridiculous after some thought.

A l/min 3bet with AQ is not a standard play. Then you hit 2 pair with an SPR of about 1 and are asking whether you should give odds for a FD to call against you.

I applaud Jarretman for doing some digging before responding. As you can guess from the responses, a shove on the flop is standard.

That said, I want to encourage you to keep posting. If you dig far enough back, you can see some really horrendous posts I made early on. Yours isn't even close to as bad as some of mine were. That's how we all learn. We all know this is an entry level forum, so don't worry about posting what you think.

Hope to see more of your postings.
Thank you!
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10-27-2010 , 08:29 PM
I'm a big advocate of limp/raising, but it isn't good here, not with AQo. Hand isn't strong enough for it.

Your sizing is also very bad.
If you had a hand that was actually worthy of limp/raising here, and decided to do it with, say, AA in this spot, your limp/raise size after $22 AND a caller should probably be $65-$75. $50 is essentially a minraise in this spot, and you have AQo (you're going to be called and subsequently miss the flop 2/3 of the time).

As played, when you arrive at this flop, yes, shoving is fine. The board is threatening and the pot is more than big enough to send it in with top 2.
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10-27-2010 , 08:34 PM
Interestingly enough, not that it matters in theory, but you don't have to worry about playing against a flush draw in this spot. The only flush draws that are possibly in this pot after the preflop action, if we assume even remote villain competence, are KhTh (flopped nuts, is getting it in regardless) or JhTh/KhJh (huge flops, getting it in regardless) ..... your flop shove thus would be to get value as quickly as possible out of hands like AJ or AK, not to "charge" flush draws
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