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01-08-2011 , 03:39 AM
I've taken some time off of live play to get more experience w/ hand reading & tough spots. So...90k online hands later, I think I've got a way better grasp of spots, ranges, etc.... Just checking what the consensus would be here about range/pot odds/etc..


Effective stacks are ~20bbs cuz this is california (sad, I know)

History: My 2nd hand on the table, EP2(17bb) raises 4bb w/ AJo, I shove w/ AQo, everyone else folds, he calls, and my hand holds up.


On to the hand...2 hands later..

Effective stacks are ~20bbs w/ one villain at ~11.5bb

Hero UTG +2 opens to 3.5bb w/ AJ

Villain directly to my left (11.5bb) raises all-in to 11.5bb.

Pot is $28, Hero needs to put in $14 more.

Hero does some quick math....


Pot odds are 2:1, if his range is aces that dominate my hand and QQ+ , I can call getting proper odds, right?


The very next hand (Villain or I may or may not have re-bought full after last hand that way you don't know if I won or lost)

Effective stacks are now ~20bb
Hero UTG+1 raises to 4bb w/ AQ
Same villain 3 bets to 12bb.


Hero??

There's no way I'm just calling - to me this is a shove or fold. Should I lean towards shoving since I may be seen as a maniac?

Any & all suggestions welcome (except "Lol don't play for capped 20bbs" - I don't have the bankroll yet and there's nowhere to play) .
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01-08-2011 , 03:52 AM
I feel you would probably get better answers if you just poted this in the tournament thread and lied

The math in hand 1 seems a bit off, but either way, but if the pot is laying 2:1 then you should not call with the range provided. However I bet that range is tight for this game. Making it 99+ AQ+ puts you at breakeven.

Hand 2 is a fold.
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01-08-2011 , 03:52 AM
1) Do you live in Barstow or something cuz I live in CA and there must be 10 cardrooms within a 2hr drive that offer 100bb nlhe and a couple that offer uncapped 2/5.

2) pokerstove.com
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01-08-2011 , 04:21 AM
In a game like this a j and a q are not hands you want to be raising with oop. Both are automatic calls preflop after you raise. The AJ hand I would fold. The AQ hand auto call. I would fold AJ because I lose often oop with that hand. AQ pretty much its a race and its only for half your stack but you could argue for a fold.
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01-08-2011 , 07:24 AM
Is this game really passive?

First hand is call. I think its pretty much automatic.

Second hand, I'm shoving, also pretty much automatic. Calling and then shoving turn is my only alternative.
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01-08-2011 , 07:32 AM
both hands seem pretty standard AIPFs. Although tbh, hard to give a legit analysis on 2nd hand without knowing what he had the first hand.
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01-08-2011 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by m_hood115
both hands seem pretty standard AIPFs. Although tbh, hard to give a legit analysis on 2nd hand without knowing what he had the first hand.
not sure if this is a level or not...

but he had AA on both hands (yes, twice in a row)
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01-08-2011 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss

Hand 2 is a fold.
Can you elaborate, please? I just want to get some reasoning behind it.
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01-08-2011 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeeThomasHowl
1) Do you live in Barstow or something cuz I live in CA and there must be 10 cardrooms within a 2hr drive that offer 100bb nlhe and a couple that offer uncapped 2/5.

2) pokerstove.com

Suggestion noted.

I would really love your opinion on the hand, now.
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01-08-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by donkey xote
Can you elaborate, please? I just want to get some reasoning behind it.
My thoughts were his lack of an all-in indicates he might want some action on the hand. You have almost no fold equity due to pot size. It just seems like a really strong play. If I were him I would probably shove JJ or QQ but raise AA or KK this way.
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01-08-2011 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by donkey xote
not sure if this is a level or not...

but he had AA on both hands (yes, twice in a row)
just variance then, first hand doesn't really help us for a read then, since his play is so standard, if he shoved like KQ or KJ then you have some kind of a read, they are just coolers, really.
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01-08-2011 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by m_hood115
just variance then, first hand doesn't really help us for a read then, since his play is so standard, if he shoved like KQ or KJ then you have some kind of a read, they are just coolers, really.
Yeah, obv I'm not getting hands like AJ/AQ in preflop w/ a normal 100bb+ effective stacks but I'm trying to construct a profitable range (against the typical player) to 3bet shove in these ridiculous 20bb games until I build a roll big enough to play bigger games.

I see guys raising w/ any 2 suited cards, min-raising 22-TT(and folding to 3 bets), limping weak aces so that gets me to thinking that against the pp's it's essentially a semi-bluff 3-bet and against the weak aces and sooted cards it's for value.


What do u'all think?
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01-09-2011 , 09:55 PM
At 20bb stacks, I think you can get AQ and AJ in pre every time.
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