Hey 2p2,
I know this may sound a little "noobish"-like but i am a winning player at 10 nl of yet a 60k hands sample of 10nl (140k overall) but before hand i was also winning at 5nl and 2nl. I am constantly grinding up my bankroll but now i thought about taking a shot at livepoker 2/4.
Do you guys think it will be a good idea or just a spew of money?
Is 10nl-online-winningplayer enough to justify a 2/4 livegame?

Thanks in advance and try not to be too harsh to my noob question

2/4 no limit? In my experience the smallest stakes game online play just as tough if not tougher than the lowest stakes games live. There are peculiarities to the live game that simply don't apply online, and I'm sure there are tons of threads here about them, search out the info because it will help tremendously

Well, if you have the bankroll that allows you to play 2/4 or 2/5 NL, I don't see the problem

If you haven't logged a couple hundred hours at live tables, you should before you go to 2-4nl or 2-5nl and expect to make money. It really is a different game and will take some time to adjust to the play and the pace. Sit down at 1-2nl for 100 hours, track your stats. And if your killing it step up. Not a huge difference in skill between 1-2 and 2-5 so it might save u a couple dollars while u get aquatinted with the game and get used to the fishy lines. BTW OP, what's your BR?

Minor note: 2/4 would be limit. No limit games are generally 1/2 or 2/5.

No money in 2/4. Everyone is solid

You wanna jump from $10 buy in games to $400 buy ins? must have a nice roll

2/4 limit is practically unbeatable with the rake.

Assuming you are talking about 2/4nl

play a minimum of 100 hrs of 1/2nl first to get a feel for live play, then move up to 2/4nl.

Also, what is your roll??? that is definitely an important factor

doesnt mandalay bay have a 2/4 NL game?
its not unheard of.

2/4 limit: Sure, take a shot. I've never played 2/4 limit but if the players are as bad as at 1/2 NL then you will be fine. Also, if you have the bankroll for 1/2 you should be fine there as well.

You need to put some hours in at 1/2 prior to playing 2/5 NL. If you can beat 25NL online then you have the aptitude to beat 2/5 NL live but that doesn't mean that you can just come in and beat it right away. There are differences in the game and you will have to learn them and make adjustments in order to be successful at that level.

no, european places spread 2/4euro games

In theory he probably should play some 1/2 NL, but I don't think it's fair to tell the guy to go play "100" hours before he sits at the game he wants to. If he's a recreational player looking to put in a halfway decent session a couple of times a week, it could take a couple of months to put in 100+ hours at 1/2. If he feels he plays well and has got money to sit in the game, I don't see a problem with it.

This is asusming he meant 2/4 NL. From the post, it's hard to tell. If he meant 2/4 Limit, then in all seriousness, who cares. He's not "taking a shot" at the game, it's the lowest possible game offered, which no one wins at long term, and there's a 90% chance he'll either win or lose less than $50, so I'm sure sitting in the game is just fine.

If OP is from Europe, 2/4NL is very common and is usually the lowest game in any room that spreads it.

This entirely comes down to BR if we are talking NL. You should have sufficient poker skills to beat this game, but it will cost you for a while. There are a lot of adjustments, most notably the very large PFRes and the willingness of most villains to call 3 streets with TPMK.

If we are talking limit, don't bother. 2/4 limit is pretty much impossible to beat the rake and is just a way to kill time, imo.

Well, I "want" to play 50/100nl, but I don't have the bankroll for it or the proper understanding of how villains at 50/100nl play...

Slumming it for a couple of months at 1/2nl getting his "live experience" is hardly a hardship. 100 hrs is what I feel is that absolute bare minimum of time needed to get a feel for the live game. In particular, to understand just how bad the live fish are.

This is the biggest problem online players have trouble adjusting to. The fact that "some" live players are just so so bad, and then understanding how these bad players affect the table dynamics...

Imo it comes down to cost. It will just be a lot "cheaper" to get that experience at 1/2nl. So, if bankroll is a problem (i.e. he is under $8K) then yes, he should slum it at 1/2nl for a while. However, if he is well rolled and doesn't mind burning through $3K -$5K figuring out the 2/5nl game, then fine, by all means, jump to 2/5nl.

Live players suck. My opinion is to not grind micro, use that time at a job which should have a higher hourly roi and bankroll the live game.

What casino's are you thinking of to answer the 2/4 limit/NL question.

He didn't say he was doing this because he needs it for income, so a job has nothing to do with this.

We have a 2-4nl here in srq FL

One of the biggest issues for players at 25nl and below is that they have one speed of poker. If you walk into live poker and play exactly like you do at 10nl, you're going to face a lot of variance that can wipe out your bankroll.

Live play is profitable when you can adjust to the players at the table. There's no HUD, there's no one counting out the pot for you and it is intensely slow compared to what you are used to. You're going to have to use skills you haven't practiced. That will take time. For example, most people aren't used to looking left as cards are dealt. If you aren't, you're leaving money at the table.

If you want to, you'll be able to beat LLSNL. What trips up many on-line players is they don't want to do the work to beat it.