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01-25-2021 , 11:34 AM
blinds 1-2 350 eff (about equal stacks) hero utg, many familiar faces in this game, so some history with most opponents. Mostly abc players, varying degrees of skill. Hero probably has pretty good image to villain

villain is competent reg, likes to get aggressive on occasion, have seen him make big bluffs, more aggro than most at the table. has some imagination. Not a nit and suited connectors are in his button raising range.

hero gets black 55 utg - I know this is a fold according to Snowie but the way this game was going, not many preflop raises, and most players like to play passive preflop. So felt a limp might get through, and look scary to some, and some might not notice the utg limp.

one caller to button who makes it 10. hero calls others fold

24

548

h x v 10 h call

44

J

h x v 50 hero?
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01-25-2021 , 11:43 AM
On this drawheavy flop, i would check-rizzle the flop a healthy portion of the time here. Its easy for the preflopraiser to put us on a draw, and he have lots of hands that can continue here. In order to try and win the max here, we need to start building the pot right here on the flop.

As played i raise the turn to 175 ish. Since we didnt do this on the flop, we need to do it on the turn, wich unfortunately to most players looks alot stronger. Since we are OOP i still prefer this option than just flat calling.
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01-25-2021 , 11:46 AM
I would just fold pre; AP, calling the raise pre is marginal.

You definitely want to raise this flop - there are so many action and hand killing turns.

AP, I would just shove as stack sizes get awkward if we raise and don't shove, and there are so many action and hand killing rivers.
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01-25-2021 , 12:41 PM
This hand got awkward when you didn't raise the flop. AP: raise turn is mandatory and there is no good size that allows you to outprice draws and get away, so I guess I just ship it. I expect almost everything we beat to fold though.
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01-25-2021 , 12:48 PM
It is totally fine to limp 55 on a passive table and you could also raise if you dont expect to get 3b a lot.

You have to raise otf even thou it looks really strong. You want to get as much money in as fast as possible. So many action killers that can come ott. Youn dont want to x/c otf and give villain the opportunity to check back ott.
You mentioned he raises SCs otb...cant be scared that villain flopped a straight and its only 4 combos.

AP raise ott
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01-25-2021 , 07:23 PM
flopping sets on wet boards is a dream scenario. Why call? You want him to have plenty of room to fold on a bad turn card?
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01-25-2021 , 10:41 PM
It's almost criminal to fold 55 in a 1/2 game with not many people raising. That means players are limping with hands like AJ, AQ, AK and most pocket pairs, etc., so if there's an ace high flop and they limped in with AK and you flop a set you get paid off easily.

I would tank/call the turn vs his description that he's aggro and makes big bluffs and let him hang himself otr. His range is so wide here.
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01-25-2021 , 11:30 PM
I would just raise pre, but if you aren’t comfortable limping is fine. Flop should usually be a raise, if not turn should be a raise.
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01-26-2021 , 02:43 AM
People use what the OP said to limp pre. I say it’s still not good enough. Here’s why

1) people will often raise over limpers but 3 bets at this stake are often KK+. Maybe QQ/AKs from the “aggressive” people. So, you often get to see a cheaper flop if you put the raise in yourself.
2) when you limp, you make it more profitable for your opponents to come in behind you, which ultimately can hurt you (albeit not as much because it’s rare you’ll fold the best hand on the flop 6 ways, someone will probably have you beat). But still, if they have a good hand, they can raise. If they have a mediocre hand, they can limp. This also hurts.

I’m not even including scenarios where one might want to give our opponents credit.

But overall I think you’re going to do better OP if you just make your raise when you want to play your hand, rather than gamble on a limp working.

Raise flop. AP I’m still check raising the turn with my set to like 140 and jamming a non-heart river. A check raise against an OB is basically a monster or some sort of draw that can’t profitably call anyway. And if he has JJ/88/76s, you’re losing a big pot anyway, so don’t let his QQ+ off the hook


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01-26-2021 , 03:42 AM
People also tend to squeeze to pretty large sizing over limps, so opening those pairs sort of as a blocker definitely has a lot of merit.
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01-26-2021 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
People also tend to squeeze to pretty large sizing over limps, so opening those pairs sort of as a blocker definitely has a lot of merit.

Exactly. More money when they have good hands, less money when they don’t.

Maybe limping is still better in a vacuum, but it’s probably no big deal if you just don’t have this in your strat. In ante games, you can start considering a limp (and tbh the 5/5 with 5 per player ante at LATB, for example, would be borderline criminal to not try and sneak in for a limp. At least IMO, solvers may disagree).


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