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11-10-2023 , 03:40 PM

davomalvolio

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Blinds $1-$2, but game is $2-$100 spread-limit (meaning the most you can raise is $100 over the previous bet—this will be relevant this time!) Early Friday afternoon.

THE HAND: first two players limp in for $2, then I raise ThTd to $15. The Button calls and just the second limper calls.

Flop: 7d3d2c (pot: $45, 3 ways)

Limper (a Sagittarius, just joined table with the $300 max buy-in) checks. I bet $40, Button folds, Limper calls.

Turn: 7d3d2c Js (pot: $125, heads-up)

Limper checks. I bet $70, he calls.

River: 7d3d2c Js 6s (pot: $265)

The Limper leads for just $50.

I raise to $150. Is this insane???

Last edited by davomalvolio; 11-10-2023 at 03:45 PM.

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11-10-2023 , 03:51 PM

Playbig2000

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Yeah, I would just call the river only because the price is right. If it was a bigger bet I would consider folding since once he called 70 into 125 on a jack turn, our hand doesn't look too good anymore.

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11-10-2023 , 05:27 PM

Mlark

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I would just call. You beat bluffs but you're losing to 5d4d, 76, JdXd, and random other Jx floats fish could have on the flop. Only beating 7X, 88, 99 which might not call and bluffs which aren't calling. Would be awkward to face a reraise of $100 which is less than 20% pot at this point

It's actually maybe not that crazy because it is spread limit and it is a less than 1/3 pot raise at this point, so tempting to call 7x and better, especially if villain is stationy and think you will try to blast him off his hand when you have a missed FD. It feels a touch too thin though.

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11-10-2023 , 05:32 PM

hitchens97

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Originally Posted by davomalvolio

Against a Saggitarius for sure. Close if it's a Taurus.

In seriousness though. Obvious Call is Obvious Call.

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11-10-2023 , 06:11 PM

Homey D. Clown

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Yes, it's a ridiculous overplay. But more importantly, what the hell is a Sagittarius? Well, I know what it it, but what does tihs mean?

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11-10-2023 , 11:55 PM

QuadJ

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Against an unknown I would just call. It could be a blocking bet but there isn't much you can do about it. It also could be a suck bet and your crushed. Without any read on villain it's impossible to tell which. The most important thing is what worse hands call a raise? Some villains can't fold A7 or 99 in this situation but they are the exception. It's more likely a raise fold out all the hands you beat and gets called by hands that beat you.

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11-12-2023 , 04:57 PM

davomalvolio

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RESULT

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River: 7d3d2c Js 6s (pot: $265)

The Limper leads for just $50.

I raise to $150.

He calls and My Hand Is Good. Villain mutters “I put you on Ace-King!”

Never change, live low stakes.

I’ll just say: I raised because for the life of me I could not believe the Villain would be betting less than $100 with a hand that was beating AA. Made absolutely no sense. Instead, I defaulted to the First Theorem of Live Low Stakes, which is that “bets mean exactly what it looks like they mean”: in this case, he bet $50 simply because he thought a pair of 7s was a $50 hand, nothing more.

And once he did that I had to raise for value, give him a chance to make a bad call.

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11-12-2023 , 08:52 PM

submersible

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yeah idk. on one hand i think the hand is not right looking at the hh, on the other hand i think your river logic is probably correct re his sizing. is interesting one. have nothing super useful to add, i dont think id raise here readless, but its pretty cool hand.

flop line fairly interesting 3 handed too

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11-12-2023 , 10:49 PM

Man of Means

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I think you're right, that if villain had 54 or 76 he'd bet the full $100. And I don't believe too many Js play it this way. Still that is a gutsy raise, I would prob be content to just call. Nice read and glad you got paid off.

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11-13-2023 , 01:30 AM

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Stupidbanana

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Sick merge.

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11-13-2023 , 02:38 AM

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illiterat

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I wouldn't be shocked if he block bets bad Jx like this, and who knows what he does with 76.

I kind of assume that no robot would lead 20% pot on this river, and even if one was made for spread limit I assume it'd lead $100 or check.

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