Especially because the other villain had already called the all in wager so when the guy got talked into calling she had to beat another hand with no additional money to win

Played in the 1/2nl game two days ago waiting for 2/5nl and came across this hand.

eff stacks $300.

Hyper aggro donk (but only hyper aggro preflop or post flop when she hits) had raised from her btn to $25 and the UTG+1 nit l/rr (limp/re-raise) her to $75 and she shipped it for $150 and he snapped called her. He had AA, she had AT and the board runs out 9 8 7 6 5 giving her the straight.

Of course she saw nothing wrong with this because in her words she was short stacked and thought that he was making a move with 99 (funny how that's the only pair she thinks about so that she can be a 50/50 flip in her mind by shipping with two overs )

Anyways, ten minutes after that hand, I pick up AKo in the SB.

5 players limp to her, she is in the CO ($300) and raises to $25. I 3-bet to $75, folds around to her and she calls. I cover.

Flop (150) A K 3 r
I check, she snap shoves all-in for $225, I call

Turn/River brick brick

she shows AT, my AK holds up.

She went on to berate me for the next ten minutes about how stupid I was for checking AK on that flop. Never mind that she immediately went on to say that since I checked she had no choice but to shove because my check means I have QQ or JJ and she couldn't let me catch my card for cheap

Analysis:

She was a weird hybrid of level 0, level 1, and a sprinkling of level 2 play. She played her hand with completely no regard for whatever her villains do but then "reads" her villains for the exact hand that she beats or is decent against. She had no understanding of pot commitment, reverse implied odds, or making bets that only better hands can call. She had a pathological fear of "losing" whenever she hit anything and overvalued TPWK as if it were the stone cold nuts.

She was also a strange breed of hyper aggressive. She was not balanced at all with her aggression. She only was super aggro when she hit, but when she missed or even if weakness was shown and she was in position and missed, she would just check back.

Against such a hyper aggressive player we need to recognize we have little fold equity against them preflop when they raise and that a top 5% raising range will crush her raising range. We should mercilessly 3-bet her whenever our range is AJ+, TT+ and have no problem calling a 4-bet shove from her with AJ+, TT+

They will also turn their hands face up by not betting big when they miss flop.

Basically, post flop they only have three gears.
Gear #1: Bet BIG when they hit
Gear #2: Check or check/fold when they miss
Gear #3: check/call if drawing

I need to invent a new category to describe her since there are tons of players like her. Probably "Hyper Aggro fit-n-folder" is the right description but I need to think of a sexier name that encapsulates that description and compacts it...

"You idiot, I can't believe you played that hand in a way that tricked me into giving you all my money". LOL

Maybe HAf-n-HAf?

I guess it's not very sexy. Kinda goes with Old Man Coffee, tho....

I've played against players like this with the added gear of slowplaying and betting small when they flop huge.

It's sometimes worth making a loose call with a speculative hand in position against their raises as a sort of preflop float.

Very true, good addition. When they flop the nuts or near nuts, they get super trappy and go for check raises ...

THE JAMIE GOLD BEST BLUFFER

check it down when you can win the pot without betting, bet when you dont have a chance to win it by checking. he did this at all seasons of HSP he played in, and in this hand with farha you can see through his thought process very clear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erNjXtuKawU

a rare beast in LLNLH though, but still not uncommon

1/3 NL; effective stacks ~350

Table is pretty tight; a couple weak tight noobs and too many young 20s with headphones guys.

Villan in this hand seems to be taking the game seriously; hasn't got out of line, is winning, probably 25 y/o. No history or hands with him.

V limps from UTG; 3 more limpers, I raise from CO, to 15 with two red fours.

Flop is 267, two spades.

Villan checks. I bet 25, he check raises to 60. This should be a fold generally, but I think this villan is capable of laying down a medium pair; plus i have position and lots of scare cards. I don't put villan on crazy huge draw; i think he c/r bigger trying tomaximize fold equity.

so i reraise to 160. he calls

flop is J spades. i have read that he isn't super thrilled with the turn; then he leads for 60 with about 125 or something behind. now i am sure he has middle pair here and is making a noob-stab at the scare card.

i decide its a good bluff spot. i raise all in. he tanks and tanks and tanks. eventually he calls.

i am sure i am beat. Q spades falls on river; 4 spades on board. I am sure i am done with 5th pair and no spade.

NOPE. Scoop against his 89ss diamonds.

This is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. How embarrassing for him.

Last I heard, he's grinding 2/5nl after going busto. After watching that clip its easy to see how he would get owned by the pros...

i can't believe he talked him into checking that river. so much more money to be made.

Folding Pocket Aces.

Was at a super juicy 1/2nl table with lots of action and drinking and big talking going on. I did a great squeeze earlier from MP w 88 isolating a short stacker's $33 all-in that was called by 5 players. I reshove for $300 everyone folds and table is shocked that I have 88. My 88 beats AQ and I scoop a nice $200-ish pot

an orbit later I get AA in MP. 2 players limp to me and I raise $30. Btn, BB, UTG, and UTG+1 call. Five way action. eff stacks $200 - $300, I cover

Flop (150) 9 8 7

BB chks, UTG chks, UTG+1 chks, I chk, Btn bet $50. BB folds, UTG tanks then raises to $150, UTG+1 tanks then calls, I snap fold, Btn shoves all-in, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn(900+) 5

River(900+) K

UTG had T9, UTG+1 had AJ, Btn had 43 and his baby flush holds up

Analysis:

Table had been calling $25 raises so I raised $30 hoping to get 2 callers but not worried to get 4. I'd rather get 4 callers than raise a hair too much and get no callers. I knew that they would put me on AK and stack off with anything so I was praying for a safe flop with no Ace or King. UNfortunately, the flop couldn't have been much worse since it hit smack in their fish calling range. Heads up, I'd be comfortable c-betting but vs 3 or 4 villains I was 100% fine c/f the flop. I also knew there was no point in c-betting here since fish love to do the c/r in these circumstances. Obviously, if I had the A and be willing to go to war here but I'm holding two black aces so this was a trivial fold.

As expected, between the 3 villains still in the hand, I'm drawing super thin and virtually dead.

The point of this post is that folding AA in this spot should be the absolute easiest fold in the world. No need to tank, no need to do the chip shuffle followed by the poker stare and the "what do you got" verbal banter. Similarly, c-bet in this spot is seriously -EV

What makes it so sick is that Jamie Gold basically told him and everyone he had KK. I can't believe he didn't bet that river for value. I mean, he didn't have to shove all-in, just half pot FFS. Pot was what, like $300k. So, an easy $150k. And Jamie looked like he was gonna cry. Guess this was when he was probably on the verge of busto...

Hand 1:
1/2 3 limpers, hero($250) is cutoff with KK raises to $14, SB($180) calls, folds around,
Flop : T66r ($36)
SB checks, Hero Bets $20, SB calls
Turn: 3c ($70)
SB checks, Hero bets $36, SB calls
River: 9h ($142)
SB bets $60, Hero shoves, SB calls shows JJ

Hand 2
3 limps, cut-off ($300) raises to $18, Hero($300) raises to $40 with KK,
folds around, cut-off tanks then open folds AQo.

How would you play these vs nitty fit-n-fold styles,
and how would you play them against laggy styles
Both of these hands are very typical, athough not the same situation which style is more +EV, Flatting trapping style, or the aggresive RR pushing style.

yep.


Poor Jamie Gold gambling with his life roll against the best players in the world. How did he think this was a good idea? Calling raises with 62o, trying to out-talk world-class poker players... wtf Jamie?

This kind of emotional meltdown was inevitable.

It makes me sick.

I'm an English teacher in China. One day I asked my students (all roughly 12 years old), "What would you do with one billion U.S. dollars?"

One of the smarter students raised his hand and replied, "I would buy one billion lottery tickets!"

I loved this joke. The kid was of course being sarcastic, as he knows that buying 1 billion lottery tickets is a massively -EV endeavor. It was also a subtle dig at people who buy even one lottery ticket-- why make a purchase that you know is -EV? Sure, 1 ticket is no big deal, but some people buy a ticket every day. That sh*t adds up.

It's as if Jamie Gold had the same idea, only he wasn't joking. "Tell us, Jamie... what would you do if you were to win the WSOP ME?"

Jamie: "I'd put it all on the table and gamble it up with Brunson and the rest of 'em!"

the answer to this question depends on your overall style. I favor an overall aggressive style that includes stealing, isolating, squeezing, re-stealing, etc. When I'm finally dealt KK, my hope is that someone who has been paying attention to my aggressive ways has TT or AJs and is ready to push them too far. Trapping doesn't fit into this style.

I know your question was more about reacting to opponent styles, but I want them reacting to me.

But what happens when they trap your AJ, TT with their KK? Sometimes villains will correctly adapt to our style, especially if it is constant.

Surely if somebody is never folding gutshots or bottom pairs, an aggressive style will be -EV?

I agree with looking to force opponents into errors, but surely it's easier and quicker to focus on amplifying the errors they are happy to make on a daily basis, rather than trying to confuse them into new ones?

Shirley?

They probably will adopt a trapping style against me. I don't plan on losing 100 BB with those hands, though.

wow...is he really confirmed busto? I find that incredible to believe after the guy wins, what, 10 million or something binking the main.

It was more like 12 Million. You'd think the damn fool would set aside most of it as untouchable. Two or three Million would make a really nice roll, and if you couldn't win with that, maybe you're not as good as you think (or believe) you are?

lol

great thread though...i have to catch up...

He didn't. The board paired tens, and Gold's schtick is to run his mouth like he did in this hand, sometimes declaring his true holding, and sometimes not. It worked for him in the WSOP, and has become a well known tactic. He could have had tens here, and trying to mislead and trap. The river check with unimproved aces was probably the best play. If pocket aces are good, take it down by checking for showdown, but don't bet if there's a chance of getting value owned if up against trip tens.

Here's a fun one from friday night.

Hero ($200, UTG): 19, talkative, probably a winning-but-not-crushing image
Villain (covers, BB): in his 20s, has no clue, african-american, aligns all his chips so the little white parts are in a line. spews money postflop but not really crazy pre.

I open T9 from UTG to $7, everyone folds to villain in BB (he's in the 10 seat and im in the 1 seat), who leans over the table and says "oh just him? he raised?" and throws in $26. i call (probably my first mistake but I WAS IN POSITION!!)

flop: AT7

villain leads $25 into me, seems weak since its smaller than his sizing pre, I call quickly.

turn: 5

villain leads $40. this is where, if i haven't already, I should probably fold. i thought about jamming for a bit, tank for a while, he says "just fold", and is throwing off those polarized tells where he's either got the complete lock or complete air. he never has AQ or JJ here, its like always top set or a flush or air. so i called.

villain checks river dark.
river: A

great card for me, i immediately check back and table my hand thinking its the winner. he then proceeds to table KQ OF CLUBS!! KQ !!!
HOW DOES HE CHECK RIVER DARK???
i was so happy because if he led that river card i can never fold, so i just saved lots of money as a result of his ridiculous river dark check!!

Fold pre ldo

Definitely fold turn.

That hand is donkalicious alright. You may be underestimating who did the more donkalicious things though. You made worse mistakes than the villain.

jimbob, I think you mistyped your hand.

Checking river dark makes the royal draw 5% more likely to come in.

LOL