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03-19-2012 , 02:18 PM
limping is bad.
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03-19-2012 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by joeydynamite
im not as wide as tomark but the range i listed was pretty wide and it works very well at these type of tables. However, if i don't talk at the table, yes they all get pissed at me, put a target on my head, and high five each other when they take a pot from me. That becomes a tough situation. but to counter it i make friends and talk it up and act like i'm just a gambling fish. It is taxing to keep putting yourself in marginal situations and keep testing people but my sessions are only 2-3hrs most of the time. i double or triple my buyin in that amount of time and bounce. I leave everyone at the table, for the most part, with smiles on their faces. i'm half way home before anyone realizes what just happened. On the days when the games aren't passive or have tougher competition i dont use this style of play and my sessions are 4-8hrs.
What does your range look like from the first 4 positions? Are you limping with scs and suited one gappers or are you pitching them and waiting for position so you can just raise?
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03-19-2012 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
You are wrong tmckendry. They do not adjust. You give your opponents too much credit. Do you know how the fish respond to you cbetting every flop? They "wait to catch you". And you know what they "catch you" with? The same hands they wouldve called the flop with anyway. Top pair+. They dont raise their draws. They dont call with bottom pair. They dont slowplay their premiums. They dont commit when they hit a piece.

After their bold call on the flop with top pair, they check to you on the turn expecting you to bluff at it, and you dont, and then they bet at the river and you fold and they think you are houdini and magically disappear whenever they have a hand.

And of course sometimes they call you with top pair on a J32 flop, and then a K hits the turn, and you bluff at it again, and they anger fold to "your ace king"...

You claim to know how they will adjust to a playstyle you have never tried. I am telling you how they do adjust to a playstyle I use every time I am at the casino.
What does your raising range/limping range look like from first 4 positions?

If you are in a spot with sc or suited one gapper or k9 suited from UTG are you just folding those hands since you are in bad position to raise or are you limping some with those type of cards?

Really curious as to this style of play...would love to watch you fire up a table of nits.
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03-20-2012 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LotGrinder
What is your variance like...???

Do you find yourself getting 2 or 3 buy ins deep at times or is it pretty smooth sailing most the time?

Also, how long of a session can you play this way? It's got to get taxing after sometime if you're really raising with Kx, Qx, any 2 suited cards or connected cards... that's a lot of raising man...I'd love to just watch a table you were doing this at to see how pissed the fish and nits get...
I probably have more variance than most people, although I sort of almost intentionally increase my variance because I think its more fun. Also, I have tried a lot of huge river bluffs which havent turned out too well (and others which have), because it takes some time to learn what river bluffs work since you run into the situations less often, and it is a more costly mistake. When I dont know whether or not to bluff, I generally prefer to bluff at it, because I can learn from it.

I generally dont play super long sessions only because I am ADD, and still getting used to the live games. The past three trips I have been playing longer average sessions (mostly 3-5 hour sessions), and last trip I played a 10 hour session with basically the same 9 fish, and played this uber loose style for the entire 10 hours, and actually built my biggest chipstack ever (I did eventually bluff 450 bucks into the nuts, but that was mostly me being too tired, but still ended up being way up).

Yeah, it does piss people off. Im kind of one of those people who thrives on that. I mean, I am a nice person, and dont intentionally put people on tilt or anything, but Ive always felt like if you are pissing people off with your playstyle, that means you are doing something right. I used to play Super Smash Bros pretty competitively, and it got to the point where my name was used as a verb to describe someone winning by being annoying.

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What does your raising range/limping range look like from first 4 positions?

If you are in a spot with sc or suited one gapper or k9 suited from UTG are you just folding those hands since you are in bad position to raise or are you limping some with those type of cards?

Really curious as to this style of play...would love to watch you fire up a table of nits.
I almost never limp. If I do, itll be like 22-66 from UTG type hands. And I play very tight OOP. The whole point of a LAG style is to abuse dead money and position. You dont have either UTG, so you should be playing your cards.
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03-20-2012 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LotGrinder
What does your range look like from the first 4 positions? Are you limping with scs and suited one gappers or are you pitching them and waiting for position so you can just raise?
i'm hardly playing anything from early pos. most the players dont even notice and just peg me as the crazy raising guy. But i'm only raising from mp3 hj co and bu. i play the blinds and early pos with AK 99+. when u limp from early position it forces you smash the flop in order to continue with the hand because there's so many limpers with 2pair, double draws, overs, etc. i just dont mess with limping early.
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03-20-2012 , 07:06 PM
there is no reason to fold 22-88 from EP at low stakes deepstacked. I can understand not wanting to raise from EP, and its one of the few times you might want to consider limping. It will always be worth your $2 to get it all in against 2 pairs, or to get your FH all in against trips, straights, and flushes. And if someone raises, you can easily call a raise and setmine.

(and yes, it is absolutely transparent to limp only pocket pairs and setmine, but who cares? No one will notice.)
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03-20-2012 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
there is no reason to fold 22-88 from EP at low stakes deepstacked. I can understand not wanting to raise from EP, and its one of the few times you might want to consider limping. It will always be worth your $2 to get it all in against 2 pairs, or to get your FH all in against trips, straights, and flushes. And if someone raises, you can easily call a raise and setmine.

(and yes, it is absolutely transparent to limp only pocket pairs and setmine, but who cares? No one will notice.)
I am going to limp anything less than 1010, Axs, and suited broadways from EP. Then when in button, cu, hj, and mp3 I am going to crush as much as table will allow. From EP I'll only raise 1010+ and AQ+.

You're right, the average 1/2s don't even know what range is and will assume I'm playing same type of cards no matter where I raise from.
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