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11-07-2020 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
To be fair, most rec players have an absolute dollar figure (ignore big blinds, pot odds, etc) where they get scared and stop putting in $ without the absolutes. It’s just rare in capped games to be in position to put someone to the test.


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At 2/5 some people play money scared, but it doesn’t usually come up within the context of us being able to move people off hands. The problem is if they are money scared, for the pot to get big, they likely took an aggressive action at some point and their range is nutted.

Like yea an old man coffee might fold a little too much post flop after 3 betting us pre, but if his range is QQ+, we are still going to get smoked bluffing our asses off against him, his range is just super strong. And at least in that example we have clarity on some boards because his range is so narrow (eg he never has the nuts on 567), but other situations won’t be nearly as clear.

Some stickier people can be moved off hands at T/20, I had one last night where I felt I could get it through in part because it was a straddled pot at T/T, but I would be surprised if a new pro is rolled to buy in for 200bb’s+ and play a high variance style in that game (I don’t buy in deep in that game either).

People being money scared benefits us mostly when they don’t value bet thin, or take enough aggressive actions.

Last edited by Badreg2017; 11-07-2020 at 09:04 AM.
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11-07-2020 , 09:00 AM
Best way to book a decent profit after being stacked for each of your first 5 buyins: play a no limit holdem double board bomb pot vs a player that thinks trips weak kicker is the nuts on a straight and flush board.
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11-07-2020 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cushlash
Maybe its a bit exaggerated and/or overgeneralized for simplicity and lols but its not atrocious.

Pros who don't NEED to grind right now (read: smart people) are largely staying home and avoiding unnecessary Covid risk.

That leaves mostly average to below average pros, the locals who are addicted enough to gambling to still take the risk and tourists who, owing to the fact that they are coming to Las Vegas during a pandemic, are going to be more risk seeking than usual.

If I'm wrong, how else would you explain the fact that games are better than normal right now?
Maybe it’s different by you, or maybe you are just talking about people who play 25/50 and up, but I’m pretty sure every pro in the St. Pete/Tampa area who play public games is playing right now, even the ones who play the mid stakes. I think I was longest hold out and I started a few weeks ago. There might be one or two holdouts, but I think I’ve seen everyone who I used to see. Most of them played home games during the lockdown as well. Could just be a Floridaman thing. The games here have also been way worse since covid, I know people who have either moved or are taking extended trips elsewhere to play.
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11-07-2020 , 09:19 AM
Nearly felt inclined to post strategy but will resist. There's already too many people that are actually trying to win in my games. It would be a shame if anyone of them became decent.
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11-07-2020 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Nearly felt inclined to post strategy but will resist. There's already too many people that are actually trying to win in my games. It would be a shame if anyone of them became decent.
Haha. I probably shouldn’t post strategy either but

1. I like to give back since I learned so much on 2+2 when I was starting out.

2. I’m not that good anyway so have fun listening to my advice lol.
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11-07-2020 , 09:22 AM
Pretty sure all the pros in Dallas that I haven't seen are either playing underground games or the big PLO games in Houston. It's pretty much business as usual for Dallas poker players now (just no Winstar poker room).
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11-07-2020 , 10:16 AM
No one takes advice. Everyone knows everything. The standard is:

OP
Is X the right decision?

Reply
No you should have done Y bc ...

OP
X is right

Reply
Ok since you asked a question it seemed like maybe you didn’t know if X was right


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11-07-2020 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
This is one of my favorites as well.

Anytime a friend orders a Blue Moon or a Shock Top, I stop them, find a Hoegaarden, and blow their mind

Best wheat beer ever made, perfect summertime beer
Agree. Nothing even comes close
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11-07-2020 , 12:45 PM
Can I get some input from people who understand 4-card poker?

$5/10 PLO. Whale button straddles to $100. He's a huge spot and the reason I agreed to play half PLO even though I barely understand PLO.

First to act, I limp ATA8 because I expect the whale to basically pot any four cards after straddling for $100. 2 more players limp, the whale pots to $500 as I predicted, and I re-pot to $1700. Everyone else folds and he calls.

Flop K94 (pot $3600)

He has about $2100 left. Do we just put him in and pray? How often does a top 80% hand (or whatever he's playing) have 2 clubs in it?
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11-07-2020 , 12:50 PM
Congrats to all Biden bettors. I went all-in on Kanye. Tough beat but maybe next election.
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11-07-2020 , 01:14 PM
Definitely stick it in there you have AA.

This is also math you could just pretty easily do yourself but
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11-07-2020 , 01:17 PM
I figured this wasn't deep enough to worry about but what stack size would you shove up to? What if he has a PSB? 1.5 PSB?
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11-07-2020 , 01:19 PM
I’d give you my real advice if you posted directly

“Hey Rob can you help me out with this hand.”

Not sure who else in here knows anything about nl or plo.

We can wait for 11t to chime in
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11-07-2020 , 01:24 PM
I'd appreciate your advice as I admittedly know next to nothing about PLO.
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11-07-2020 , 01:29 PM
Gii and reload


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11-07-2020 , 02:33 PM
Jam it and don’t like it.

The only good outcomes for you if this guy calls is if this guy has like 8955 or some dumb ****.

Two pair draws are very live and you will be dead a pretty significant amount of the time.

It becomes more interesting and a debatable c/f against a regular opponent at 1spr with no club. Against someone you perceive calling 80% you can just jam and capture equity.

If you ever have a club in your hand it’s just go go. At 1.5 I’d be check folding with no club.

In this specific hand your SPR is too low and against a whale they will have all sorts of paired hands they shouldn’t. Jam
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11-07-2020 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
Jam it and don’t like it.

The only good outcomes for you if this guy calls is if this guy has like 8955 or some dumb ****.

Two pair draws are very live and you will be dead a pretty significant amount of the time.

It becomes more interesting and a debatable c/f against a regular opponent at 1spr with no club. Against someone you perceive calling 80% you can just jam and capture equity.

If you ever have a club in your hand it’s just go go. At 1.5 I’d be check folding with no club.

In this specific hand your SPR is too low and against a whale they will have all sorts of paired hands they shouldn’t. Jam
I feel like sometimes we get them to fold some random two pair draws like 9876 with no club type hands that have enough equity to continue vs our hand and makes a shove slightly better than if they always called when they have enough equity.

Shove either way imo but that makes it slightly better than it looks.
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11-07-2020 , 03:02 PM
How about shut up
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11-07-2020 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
The chef I roomed with above the restaurant where I lived in the US in 93 used to buy a case of Milwaukee Beat for $4.99. That was disgusting even then
**Best
or
**Beast

Truthfully MB falls in the category of simply undrinkable to me (well at least after I was 21 and could buy what I want). Black Label and Schlitz are in that group as well.
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11-07-2020 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cushlash
I feel like sometimes we get them to fold some random two pair draws like 9876 with no club type hands that have enough equity to continue vs our hand and makes a shove slightly better than if they always called when they have enough equity.

Shove either way imo but that makes it slightly better than it looks.

No whale who is straddling then potting any 4 then calling again is folding post flop

You’ve spent too much time in vegas


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11-07-2020 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RobFarha
How about shut up
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11-07-2020 , 03:19 PM
As a kid I collected beer cans. My 8th grade history teacher got me into it. My father was ackshually a sport cuz he had to drink some serious pisswater

best cans by far old frothingslosh

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11-07-2020 , 03:21 PM
would
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11-07-2020 , 03:23 PM
who wouldnt?!
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11-07-2020 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NewAcctIsBest
I love playing 80bbs deep cause I am going to jam the flop or turn AND they have no implied odds to call without a top 10% hand. So I go hard with my 80bbs. This is a result of being broke ofc
The next step is to divide your stack into bets of 6, 10, 11bbs. Plenty of regs still follow third bet rule.

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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
This is one of my favorites as well.

Anytime a friend orders a Blue Moon or a Shock Top, I stop them, find a Hoegaarden, and blow their mind

Best wheat beer ever made, perfect summertime beer
always tasted like lemonade.


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Originally Posted by RobFarha

If you ever have a club in your hand it’s just go go. At 1.5 I’d be check folding with no club.
Man have I been playing the 4 card flush draws wrongly.
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