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I've never read anything of his, but he's really eloquent in his pod and on some videos I've watched and he makes complex themes far more accessible than others imo

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02-05-2020 , 07:48 PM

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pokerodox

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

Yep, I’ve been fighting the temptation to buy the Andrew Brokos book. He’s by far my favourite strat guy to listen to and I’m sure he’s an excellent writer, but I think the book could do more harm than good to my already fragile game

I bought it. It has a lot of toy game descriptions in it. (For example, every player gets a single card, A, K or Q. Single betting round, no other cards. What percentage should you bluff? Then applies that real poker scenarios, type of stuff. It tries to fit between that hard math book on GTO (Ankeman?) and Ed Miller on frequencies. Still not sure if I recommend it. Just about done reading it and will probably have to read it again.

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02-05-2020 , 07:51 PM

#2778

SABR42

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Originally Posted by DK Barrel

Most valuable advice I ever got in poker was from llsnl superstar Aesah

It was at the first llsnl vegas gathering back in 20-whatever; I was at the Venetian waiting for a 2/5 game but 5/10 had no waitlist and he offered half my action because he thought I wasn't a dumbass (Sorry.)

Anyway I saw like 8 hands before getting called and only played one hand of import which I folded to a turn bet.

He asked what I had and I sheepishly admitted I had raised something like 75o from the cutoff and he was like "yeah I dunno about that hand, they're just too solid at 5/10 they're just going to own you playing proper ranges"

And I realized, you can't win at poker being wantonly aggressive, you have to start with the preflop fundamentals

At the time I was really crapping it up, I was trying to get better but I was trying to do so by becoming a lagtard and obviously it wasn't going to work.

So he kinda stopped me from imploding so that was good. Thanks, thants.

I know him quite well and found this really funny.

Usually when he tells me a hand he played my first reaction is "you defended a 3-bet with WHAT?"

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02-05-2020 , 08:41 PM

#2779

Donat3llo

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Originally Posted by SABR42

I know him quite well and found this really funny.

Usually when he tells me a hand he played my first reaction is "you defended a 3-bet with WHAT?"

Do as I say not as I do

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02-05-2020 , 10:02 PM

#2780

DK Barrel

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Originally Posted by SABR42

I know him quite well and found this really funny.

Usually when he tells me a hand he played my first reaction is "you defended a 3-bet with WHAT?"

Postflop edge though

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02-06-2020 , 12:21 AM

#2781

Dream Crusher

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Everything I know about motorcycles I learned from liveleak. Mostly, I learned what would be a fender bender in a car can be quite deadly in a motorcycle. Also, if you are looking to steal cell phones while people are talking on them then a motorcycle is a great tool.

Cedric Benson, a football legend in my hometown, died this past year riding a motorcycle.

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02-06-2020 , 01:34 AM

#2782

Mr Spyutastic

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I think I'm convinced to not get one. I was already kind of hesitant to begin with.

I really don't get how those guys feel comfortable just going 80mph in between the lanes. Like people randomly change lanes all the time w/o signaling or even looking. All it takes is one. I just couldn't trust other cars enough to just zoom through like that.

And to do that every day. Just seems like that math would add up against you at some point where you just get rammed by an idiot lane changer.

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02-06-2020 , 09:10 AM

#2783

miamicheats

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Since everyone is posting bad stuff about motorcycling, I’ll post a pro.

My uncle used to ride and he was in a crash that wasn’t serious. It happened the day of a Dave Matthews Band concert that he was supposed to take my cousin to. Thankfully this prevented him from having to attend.

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02-06-2020 , 09:17 AM

#2784

Garick

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I have to admit that as much as I like my bike, it also scares me. I could never do that California riding between the lanes thing. I'm also surprised that that's legal there, given how "protect people from themselves" Cali law tends to be.

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02-06-2020 , 09:18 AM

#2785

johnny_on_the_spot

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i've always felt there are 2 times in peoples lives they decide to start riding.

1) too young to give a ****
2) mid life crisis

i've aged out of (1) and too close to (2) to start riding without it looking exactly like (2).

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02-06-2020 , 09:21 AM

#2786

Petrucci

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I mean if you love riding a motorcycle more than anything else in the world, keep going and the risk will probably be worth it for you.

But for the vast majority of people i would say try finding another activity to get the adrenalin going but with less risk along the way.

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02-06-2020 , 09:23 AM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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@ donny, i'm right there with you for having impostor syndrome

gotten called into OEs office 2x in the last couple months. always expecting the worst because i always think i'm not doing enough. last time was a promotion, yesterday was a bonus (which is not common in my industry). i wish i could feel comfortable, but i never do.

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02-06-2020 , 09:23 AM

#2788

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Originally Posted by Petrucci

like crocodile wrestling.

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02-06-2020 , 09:25 AM

#2789

Petrucci

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

like crocodile wrestling.

Or bungee jumping

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02-06-2020 , 09:29 AM

#2790

johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by Petrucci

Or bungee jumping

or crocodile bungee jumping!

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02-06-2020 , 09:34 AM

#2791

Garick

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TBH, I don't get much adrenaline from riding, because I ride in a very cautious style. If I'm getting a rush from it, it's probably not a good thing.

I may be the GG of motorcycle riding, but I still enjoy it (in nice weather).

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02-06-2020 , 09:55 AM

#2792

Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by miamicheats

lol

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02-06-2020 , 09:55 AM

#2793

wj294

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My friend had a crash that was 0% his fault (empty potato sack from the side of the road got blown into his front wheels spokes by the wind) and if it had happened even 2/3 seconds later he could easily have been run over by traffic going the other way and died. Seeing that gave me a new perspective on motorbikes. I had to crash off to the side myself not to run him over and in the time it took me to turn around I was honestly terrified the worst had happened.

Even the safest rider is unfortunately at the mercy of the idiot in the 4x4 sat on his phone. Massive +1 to only riding if it's truly worth it to you.

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02-06-2020 , 11:25 AM

#2794

AzOther1

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Imma gonna ride my m/c to the DMB concert at the end of the month, because I hate life (also, Jason Isbell and a couple of other good bands are playing the same festi)

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02-06-2020 , 01:50 PM

#2795

Dream Crusher

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Motorcycles are hard to see so another concern is cross traffic cutting across lanes or turning right in front of you.

Scooters are a more economical choice if you are just looking to steal cell phones.

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02-06-2020 , 02:11 PM

#2796

AlanBostick

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic

I'd say if you played close to an optimal PF strat w/ proper exploits/adjustments based on in game, you could play a super simple post flop strat and pretty much do well in the vast majority of live games.

In low-stakes games in the US this would leave lots of money on the table. Better still would be to understand an optimal preflop strategy and notice how typical players (or, better still, the individual villains in one's game) deviate, and adjust accordingly. An exploitative strategy rooted in game theory can slice off value from villains' play with a boning knife when naive exploitative play uses a machete.

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

I recommend it. It is not at all solver-focused, emphasizing toy games (such as the A-K-Q game) to illuminate optimal play. Content-wise there is nothing in it that isn't also in Chen & Ankemann's The Mathematics of Poker, but it is focused, simply explained, and to the point.

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02-06-2020 , 02:34 PM

#2797

XtraScratch8

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Just wanted to chime in and say I’m really enjoying all the Dave Matthews Band hate going on.

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02-06-2020 , 03:50 PM

#2798

Mr Spyutastic

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

My whole point was that people either don't know or for some reason don't play optimal PF strat and are yet overly focused on what to do post flop. Best to know/do that before you worry about leaving money on the table to do exploits.

My comment was targeted at people complaining about losing in the first place in llsnl.

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02-06-2020 , 07:29 PM

#2799

RangeCheck

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Would say >99% of live players do not understand or correctly apply GTO concepts when they say it's not applicable to live games / does not max their winrate / it's unnecessary "fancy play" / made them a worse player etcetc, including pretty much all of the commenters ^ ITT