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12-09-2023 , 02:59 PM
1/3 NLHE, 9 handed.

This is an example hand and I want to get people's opinions if it is better to 3-bet or just call OTT. V is a good TAG player and very capable.

Pre: Folds to V in CO who opens 10, Hero to 30 with As Ac from BB, CO calls HU. Stacks are 800 eff so pretty deep.

Flop 60 (770 back) - Ad Jh 3c

H bets 25, V calls

Turn 110 (745 back) - Ad Jh 3c 9h

H bets 75, V raises to 200, Hero?

Would you 3-bet? Just call? If you just call how would you handle a scary river like 8h or Th? How would you handle a brick like a 2s? I feel like lower SPR it's just a 3-bet gii but I'm wondering how to handle this spot deeper. I feel like 3-betting is so face up here..what hands would you be 3-betting with here besides top set? Any semi-bluffs?
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12-09-2023 , 04:16 PM
This seems likely to be a spot where the villain got "tricky" and LOLwaited until the turn before raising their JJ or 33. They aren't folding a flopped set; get it in.

ETA: I would have checked the turn myself. It is so difficult for the villain to have a top-pair hand that we would like for them to bluff at us.
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12-09-2023 , 04:44 PM
The preflop 3bet is too small. Go 4x OOP. That would make your turn 3bet shove a bit more palatable to call. As played, though, I would still jam now. As you say, how are you going to play a scare card...and indeed if the river is a blank and it goes check-check you'd be furious.
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12-09-2023 , 05:22 PM
I'd get it in. He's likely not bluffing here. He could have A and another card for a flush draw on the turn. He might be just bluffing but that seems unlikely. You miss out on value in that case but he likely has a good hand so get it in.
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12-09-2023 , 05:22 PM
Jams. Think your line is fine. I like the turn bet after he called flop.
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12-09-2023 , 06:03 PM
Turn is get it in. A lot of bad rivers for both of you so it will go check check or bet fold way too often where he will be in tough spot on the turn and if he folds out his equity then no big deal.

But yeah what is up with the small size pf? Need to make it bigger since you're in BB and you are 266bb deep.
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12-10-2023 , 03:32 AM
Ok so people like 3-bet gii. But here's a question. What else would you do this with besides top set? Would you play QThh this way? AJo? AThh? I feel like you can't always have pure thick value with 3-bets post OOP and so I'm wondering what hands would balance sets here.
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12-10-2023 , 04:27 AM
QThh for sure if it got 3bet preflop. As for anything else perhaps not other than AA/JJ but I wouldn't worry too much about balance - you're up against someone who's playing a very strong line themselves
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12-10-2023 , 06:59 AM
How many more times do you think you will have this spot vs this player in the next year?

I wouldn't worry too much about balance.
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12-10-2023 , 12:39 PM
General rule is slow-play your top set, fast play the others (since with top set you block more value, making it more likely he’s bluffing). I don’t see any reason to deviate, so just calling here. And calling all rivers (jamming the bricks).
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12-11-2023 , 01:52 PM
I suck at deepstack.

Deep with no other dead money / limper equity to deny and OOP, I would actually just flat preflop and attempt to passively win a small pot OOP to solid player. Of course, I have a mega nitty image to deal with, so if you're anything remotely 3betty / barrelly / etc. then obviously 3bet.

SPR is 13 and we want to play for stacks, which can be accomplished with 3 PSBs. Against a solid player, I kinda feel we just have to hope he has a hand we can get action from (AK/AQ/AJ/JJ) and go for the gold. So I'd probably PSB each street and hope for the best.

As played and facing the turn action, I think I lean to a jam. I mean, if he can fold a set / AJ, nice hand sir. Otherwise, let's charge him for his mistake of playing draws aggro against us.

GcluelessdeepstackOOPnoobG
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12-11-2023 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
How many more times do you think you will have this spot vs this player in the next year?

I wouldn't worry too much about balance.
+1 (and even to in your poker playing lifetime)

GcluelessunbalancednoobG
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