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03-23-2016 , 09:10 AM

mbehr

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1/2/5 rock game. Been at the table for about 1 hour. Image is TAG nothing to out of line up $ 95 for the session. V seems like a Loose passive player maybe 30 white guy. He says he had two pair earlier when I had TT and bet flop and turn for value on 8 high board and he folded

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V UTG1 and 2 limp I make it 15 (effective is 200) to go with Q

both UTGs call
Pot 48
Flop A

V leads 50 UTG2 fold
My read is he has an A but not sure if he has a

and the K

is unlikely now that I look back at it
What should Hero do?

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03-23-2016 , 09:16 AM

Gilmour

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I am folding here when villain blasts over full pot into me.

1) We have a one pair hand.

2)We have invested only 15$ in this hand so far.

3)We are not drawing to the nutz.

4) Villain has made it clear that he have a strong holding by his donklead and huge sizing, just get out of there and that way exploit his line/big sizing by making the fold.

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03-23-2016 , 09:39 AM

Javanewt

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If he's loose/passive and bets here, he probably has a small flush or the Kd, but you think he has an A, so would he really limp with AxKd? He must be really passive

Also, do passive players bet here without a flush?

Folding is best, but I can understand "at table" the desire to peel a card, especially if you put him on AxXd.

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03-23-2016 , 09:53 AM

mbehr

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At this game there is a lot of donk leading when there are 2 suited cards. It's hard to say if they actually have a D or not. I don't think he is limping AK. These guy will almost always play Axx no matter what the raise is. They put $5 and want to see a flop. I think he is leading big because he doesn't have a D in this spot.

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03-23-2016 , 09:57 AM

Gilmour

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You are sitting at the table, not we and should then know everyones tendencies as good as possible.

If he has Ax though without a diamond (in best scenario), are you keen on getting it in then with your Q high diamonddraw in a single raised pot?

He is betting pretty big, so its hard to just call here imo. We need to think this through right know on the flop if we want to commit us to this pot or not.

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03-23-2016 , 10:05 AM

Javanewt

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Agree. If you don't think he has a diamond, you need to push or fold. Calling 1/4 of effective stacks at less than 50bb effective ($5 rock) to see one card is bad.

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03-23-2016 , 10:06 AM

Mr. Curious

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The blinds are 1/2/5 right? So you have a 40 BB stack. If so, why did you raise to only 3x after limpers?

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03-23-2016 , 10:47 AM

mbehr

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Yes I had 40bb. The 3x was table standard. I felt if I bet anymore it would not get action

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03-23-2016 , 10:56 AM

Gilmour

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Originally Posted by mbehr

Yes I had 40bb. The 3x was table standard. I felt if I bet anymore it would not get action

Dont put so much weight on whats the table standard or what other people are doing, that would be my advice.

After two limpers shown interest in the pot and limped in youre pretty much always getting action. After two limpers i would make it 30$ all day long, maybe even bigger if we play a decent stack of 100 BB or more.

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03-23-2016 , 11:04 AM

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GreatWhiteFish

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Just fold, IMO. He likely has an ace or a flush, and either way you're way behind. If you peel and the fourth diamond hits, he's probably only putting a significant amount of money in with the Kd or maybe the J or T of diamonds.

If QxQd was an overpair to a monotone board I think the situation would be different, but here you just need to fold.

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03-23-2016 , 11:44 AM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by Gilmour

After two limpers shown interest in the pot and limped in youre pretty much always getting action. After two limpers i would make it 30$ all day long, maybe even bigger if we play a decent stack of 100 BB or more.

This. $15 after two limpers with a $5 rock is insanely small. I usually advocate "table standard," but if that's the table standard after two, I'm breaking it. At my tables with a $5 rock, the standard with no limpers would be $25.

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03-23-2016 , 01:10 PM

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mbehr

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I agree with the sizing mistake. If I do as u indicate and same flop and he now leads 75 am I committing? Pot would then be 150 leaving a less than a pot bet if I call

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03-23-2016 , 01:17 PM

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Gilmour

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Originally Posted by mbehr

I agree with the sizing mistake. If I do as u indicate and same flop and he now leads 75 am I committing? Pot would then be 150 leaving a less than a pot bet if I call

Yes i believe so. Mostly because peoples ranges gets wider here for donking into you when the pot is bigger and you have less behind= smaller SPR.

Also there will be alot more money in the middle if you get two callers with bigger sizing wich you want to win= giving you better odds to go with your hand postflop.

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03-23-2016 , 03:50 PM

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RAHZero

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Not sure I understand the structure of this game, but if the limps are for $5 each then your raise size is way too small. I'd make it $30 if that's the case (4xBB + 1 for each limper). As played, fold flop. At best, you're drawing to 11 outs, at worst, you could be drawing dead.

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03-23-2016 , 03:58 PM

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mbehr

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Originally Posted by RAHZero

It is a 1/2 with 5 Rock (you win Rock buy winning previous hand. It's essentially a 2/5 game with 300 cap)yeah my siZing was to small

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