You know in your heart I did....yea it was super nitty, and i didnt really like it. The guy's overall passivity convinced me to dump it. I dont think its good, but I actually dont think its a huge mistake. And i would prefer that i had bet turn myself rather than check call as an alternative.

The guy did make a painful wince face when i folded and sighed so I actually think he did have a big hand. He definitely wasnt acting either. I likely saved myself some money here even though i dont like my play.

Like this?

I'd prefer starting out with a check on the flop when we're OOP and multi-way. If either opponent bets, I'd check raise big. If the flop checks through, I'd make a delayed c-bet on turn.

AP, after we bet 2/3 pot on flop and get called, I think I go into check-call mode on turn. Our hand is basically just a bluff catcher. Let V bet worse for value or try to bluff.

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I can definitely see checking it and i did think about doing that on flop before i eventually decided to bet. The reason I chose to bet was due to the fish in the hand though. Now if turn had been a blank like a 2, 3, 4, J i wouldve had a easier turn bet. I really hated the 10.

I think check raising flop is madness though. If I check and a guy bets it multiway, especially if the better player bets, they are showing a lot of strength. Remember, the fish is passive, hes not an aggro fish. If I was shallower where I could check jam all in for a reasonable size on the flop i would do it. But not when I have so much left after check raising and have to play a lot of turns that suck for me. My hand is too mid strength for a check raise in my opinion.

You're 800 eff to start. If you check, and either player bets big, we can just call. If they bet small, like 1/3 pot, we can check raise big, to $120-$150, and comfortably fold to a 3B.

A bad player is more likely to overvalue top pair and bet big. A good player is going to bet smaller with TP, but possibly bigger with 2P+.

I prefer a check because we'll hate any card from a 2 to a T on the turn, and also any A or K. Other than a J, every turn card sucks for us.

I don't hate your c-bet, given that you did take a larger size. I would have liked it more if you went bigger, like full pot. It's basically a "f**k you" bet sizing.

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if the guy is wide enough to have things like 63 pre and t6 ott, i think you're focusing too much on the combos that beat you while ignoring how wide his range is and how many combos we are ahead of. my guess is his vpip is (much) lower than 80 (this is really really almost impossibly wide at 9 handed - like playing every single hand if its unopened to him and playing a huge majority of the hands that are opened in front of him) and you're over estimating your knowledge of his game plan / frequencies - he's never going to bet flop or turn with hands i do well against!

its worth looking in some kind of solver / range explorer for what 80% of hands looks like and how rarely he has you beat compared to his overall range. yet you seem to think check raising the flop vs him or betting the turn or c/c the turn is losing.

am not saying this to be mean or dispariging. i think you're genuinely approaching playing vs him poorly. if you want to use gtowizard for something comparable, take a look at bvb ~75bb deep on low rake (nl500, were doing low rake to try to get his range as wide as possible) and see how strong qq is on this board even on a t turn. then factor in that you think hes playing 25% more hands than bb is playing in this sim. he just isn't going to have enough combos that beat you compared to how much random trash is in his range. i understand flop is 3 ways but im trying to sort of just show you where im coming from with this take.

I get what youre saying. I hate my turn fold. I got too worried about him being passive and thinking he doesnt bet 1 pair hands here at all or bluff. And this read isn't necessarily correct for him as I dont have many hours of observation, only like 2 hrs worth. Its possible I'm right about it, but its too big of a deviation to make in this small sample size.