Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
QQ spot 1-2 nl QQ spot 1-2 nl

02-27-2015 , 01:17 PM
Villain in this hand is older guy in 60's. Played with him before seems to play tight never saw him get out of line. Two hands before this I laid down KK to him after checking behind him on an ace high flop after which he fired out a pot sized bet on turn.



SB ( $150)
BB ($900)
UTG ($75)
UTG+1 ($200)
Villain ($200)
HJ (125)
Hero ($150)
BTN ($225)

Dealt to Hero [Q Q]
UTG straddle to $4
Villain: Raises to $16
Hero: calls $16
UTG: calls $16

POT $48

*** FLOP *** [9 10 J]

UTG: Checks
Villain: bets $25
Hero: Raises to $85
UTG: Folds
Villain: Tanks about 20 seconds and then goes all in
Hero: Calls all in remaining $50


Should I raise in this spot preflop against a tighter player? I was happy I had position but I think in retrospect that I should have raised to get the straddle out and isolate the guy when I had position on him.

What about raising this flop? My thinking was I blocked a lot of straights with my two queens here and also the guy is usually someone who will check call you way more often then he leads out.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-27-2015 , 01:26 PM
Against a tight player where he'll only open KK+, QQ is fine to flat. The problem is we're barely deep enough to set-mine, due to the straddle. Iso'ing by 3-betting will fold out worse and only get called/raised by better.

As played, I shove rather than raise. On the one hand, raising looks super strong versus a shove. However, raise/folding with an SPR of 4 with an overpair and OESD is a mistake. So you might as well GII.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-27-2015 , 01:28 PM
If you raise to $50+ pre-flop, you can't really fold to an all-in, so I think you will fold out what you are beating and be way being anything he pushes with.

If this guy only raises with AA, KK and maybe AK, I think you played it fine. You are basically set mining or hoping for this flop. I think you are behind on the flop, but I'm gii here every time with this stack.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-27-2015 , 01:30 PM
I 3bet preflop unless this guy is really passive. As played, just call the flop. You're behind a lot. If he checks a blank turn, shove. If he bets the turn, fold unless you're getting odds.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-27-2015 , 01:38 PM
PF: Hmmm...we only have $150. If we 3! for value we'd have to make it like $50. We could still lay our hand down if V 4! over the top, although, I hate the thought of laying this down. Calling just invites other callers. Yeah, I'd just go ahead and 3! here.

F: (3) handed. Pot is $48. We have $134 left. SPR is 2.8. I think you are analyizing the hand too much. Now that we're at the flop, our hand plays itself. Our SPR is 3, we have an overpair to the board (plus an OESD as bonus points). We are never folding here.

Raising the flop is fine.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-27-2015 , 02:21 PM
I think the more conservative approach here would have been better against this type of player. I like flatting this guys raise instead of the 3. I don't think the 3 is a bad play but it makes the hand really really hard to get away from at that point. I should have called the flop bet and then re-evaluated after seeing what he would've done on the turn.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-28-2015 , 09:01 AM
I don't get why people are assuming villain might not raise with hands like AQ, AJs, JJ, TT, and maybe KQs.

I probably 3-bet pf and it does give us a better idea of where we're at which can make the rest of the hand easier to play.

Our equity on the flop is weaker than it looks at first glance because villain has such a strong range of hands that do well against us on this flop. I prefer calling and seeing the turn. Fortunately we have position on villain so lets use it to our advantage in this spot and see what villain does on the turn.

Last edited by Steve00007; 02-28-2015 at 09:11 AM.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-28-2015 , 10:19 AM
Buyin full or top-up.
I don't care how nitty villain is, never bad to GII pre with 3rd nuts 75BB deep in straddled pot.
Why the fk are we raising flop? People saying 3b pre makes us fold out worse and let better hands raise/call why does that logic not translate to flop? Villain is shoving QQ+, 99-JJ, KQ and pretty much never bluffing this flop. Call flop IP and eval turn.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-28-2015 , 12:11 PM
I would 3bet preflop to isolate opponent which you may be able to outplay on flop.

You have position so why not take initiative. I would raise to $48 and see what happens.

If he shoves I may fold while if he only calls, you know he doesn't have AA KK.

I think this is a cheaper option than what you did.

The flop is great for villan if he has AA KK and you pay a premium to see it.

By raising pre it only cost you $50.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-28-2015 , 03:50 PM
After I call villain announced he had the nuts at that point KQ

I picked up a flush draw on the turn and then bricked the river.

The 3 bet to 50 would have most likely gotten villain to fold preflop however I still like flatting in that position and seeing the flop. I like where I was at that point and KQ suited was at the very bottom of this guys opening range imo. In conclusion as played just calling this flop would have been a much better option. Thanks for the input everyone.
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote
02-28-2015 , 03:51 PM
Also I had QQ not the Q
QQ spot 1-2 nl Quote

      
m