1/2. 244 effective.

V (Button) just called a maniac preflop with 68s and got it all in on the turn with a straight-flush draw. My hypothetical read is a solid player. Hero covers.

Hero: Just sat down, no image.

OTH

Button straddle. Two callers. V on Button raises to 18. Hero with QQ in the SB raises to 51 (I don't know how that 1 chip got into the pot). Folds to V, who calls.

Flop (106 after rake) K89r

Check, check.

Turn 5, two hearts.

V bets 51. Hero?

I regret not betting the flop. V has more Ax and straight draws than Kx here.

$60 pre is slightly better IMO. Bet flop 1/3 and if he calls we’re pretty much done with the hand and topping off afterwards. Huge range advantage as 3bettor on this board so small bet with entire range should be default plan.

51 is a big bet for someone to call pre in 1/2 and then bet the turn w/o a king, so I would just let it go.

$65 pre

Im fine with flop check. Bet fold $45 on turn

Hard to tell how much is in the pot, and the exact action. I'd assume there's ~$30 in the pot by the time hero acts, but pot size on flop makes that seem wrong ... so who knows.

I think $65 is the bottom of my 3bet size here. We are OOP against BTN who will want to call/defend their straddle a bunch. Like $85 is also fine.

I don't mind checking flop, or betting small.

As played to turn, I don't mind betting 1/2 pot or checking again but if check it isn't to fold, because lol at V always having us beat here (so many V will bet near 100% range when checked to twice here). At worst I'm calling if we don't have a heart. Like JJ/TT/A9/87/65 are all fine to whatever turn bets as V.

Also not sure about bet fold turn either ... a lot of BTN raising range on turn is going to be like Ah*h or Th9h or whatever. Like AK/KQ/whatever is just going to bet flop, or not raise turn. 76 also less likely, but could be scared of AK x/r on flop. Random BTN straddle any2 spew raise is real 5%+. Obviously V can have 99/88/55 and be trapping, but that life.

After the call pre, I range V at QQ-88, A9s+, A5s-A4s, KTs+, AJo+, KJo+. What do you think?

Board: Kd8h9s
51.92% { QdQh }
48.08% { QQ-88, A9s+, A5s-A4s, KTs+, AJo+, KJo+ }

Im not sure it matters. I am more interested in the small 3B and V somehow betting the turn when the action was on you

Raise larger pre, at least to $65. You have a very easy call on turn after you check.

Converting that to PPTOO, I get:

QQ-88, Ax9x+, Ax5x, Ax4x, KxTx+, AxJy+, KxJy+

and QQ is 63.3% on flop and 66.2% on turn.


At a random guess I would go more suited and less offsuit, so like:

JJ-55, Ax9x+, Ax5x-Ax2x, Tx8x+, 6x5x+, AxJy+, QxJy+

...which gives QQ 66.2% on flop and 63.3% on turn.


But it's not like either guess is going to be 100%, and I've seen villains go much wider.

Bigger Pre - I like $70.
I think there's at least a 50% chance villain would bet say KQ on flop after your check, so I like delayed c-betting turn (folding to a raise).

As played, after you check 2nd time he has things like JJ, TT that he might be looking to protect if you have say AQ, so I'm calling turn here at least.

Hero folded.

I kind of regret the whole hand now. Would you believe me if I told you that I play most of my hands better? Or see my next post on AQo in SB for more humility.

Villain said, "you had queens, didn't you," as if I committed an offence.

"You have no idea what I had," I said. "You never played with me before. I was on a range of hands."

"You had jacks, right, jacks, or queens?"

"Now that would be a narrow range," I said, sour about the lost hand.

"What else would you have there? Jacks, right?"

I decided to say no more and looked forward to playing another hand with the villain.

Now what hand would really now 3bet pre and check this flop? A narrow range. QQ, JJ, maybe TT, 99

I went for dinner and changed to a softer but unprofitable table of loose passives.

Thank you keeping me honest on twoplustwo.

Even worse: Hero checked the turn!

Flop (106 after rake) K89r

Check, check.

Turn 5, two hearts.

Hero checked. V bets 51. Hero?

Thanks for keeping me honest. In the moment, I couldn't figure out three times eighteen and didn't even consider that, in the SB, the 3b multiple is four, not three.

Way you played it might have saved you money. Very V dependent hand other than preflop sizing. Check check fold is fine vs many many small stakes players. So is check, bet. Or check check call.

I agree the play is villain dependent. A pro will make chop meat out of player who 3bets pre and checks the flop and the turn on this runout because the passive play narrows Vs range to 99-QQ. A regular with Ax or even 66 might be happy to get to showdown. A bet by a regular on the turn may very well indicate a king.

In a zero sum game, I could outplay the villain--he was playing too many hands. But I realized I was going to lose in poker if even a few of my opponents ranged me as well as he did, so I left.

You gave him too much credit. The line you took was very transparent. Next time say, no deuces. I have to flop trips sometime

Try not to educate the other players.