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03-04-2017 , 09:18 AM
$5/$10

Hero is UTG+1 and opens to $35 with QhQd....except Hero is a moron and didnt notice that UTG already opened to $35 so Hero actually called the raise.

Button and both blinds also call. Hero is the shortest stack with $1050.

I havent been in the game long but UTG and button are both solid TAGs. SB is a terrible whale who I had just been playing 2/5 with and followed him to 5/10. When I sat he had $3K so he mustve won some pots but hes bleeding chips all over the place since Ive been here.. Everyone is trying to get in hands with him. BB is unknown.

Flop ($175). 9h 5c 3d Checked to Hero bet bets $100. Button, SB and UTG call.
Turn ($475) 8h. Checked to Hero who bets $300. Button and SB call
River ($1375) Th. SB checks. Hero has $615 behind.
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03-04-2017 , 09:29 AM
Check, planning to fold most of the time
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03-04-2017 , 10:44 AM
Call is good pre, because we want the whale in the Pot.

River is pretty close. I may bet 350$ because of the whale .. check/fold is ok as well, because a tag won`t vbet here with JJ and everything else that bets has you beat. The Tag could easily sit on a set, because of the dynamic with the whale.

So I think check/fold is best.
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03-04-2017 , 05:50 PM
What are we targeting with our turn sizing? Flop was pretty damn dry, we get 3 calls and then go ~2/3 PSB on the turn? 76s was a double gutter on the flop that got there on the turn. Flatting a set on the flop makes sense. 98s pulls ahead. 77 and 66 really shouldn't be calling $300 on the turn. A4, A2 and A6 that made a weak flop float will call a value bet but we don't need to size that large.

We pot committed our self with our turn sizing.

Last edited by johnnyBuz; 03-04-2017 at 05:56 PM.
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03-04-2017 , 06:11 PM
I have never played a single hand of 5/T so I can't really comment too deeply. Is it possible the button was just looking to hit 46 with the whale in the pot assuming he's getting odds? Might not change anything. Seems pretty clear that you don't beat much that he bets the river with so might as well check since his chances of bluffing are slim. JJ would suck though.
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03-04-2017 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
What are we targeting with our turn sizing? Flop was pretty damn dry, we get 3 calls and then go ~2/3 PSB on the turn? 76s was a double gutter on the flop that got there on the turn. Flatting a set on the flop makes sense. 98s pulls ahead. 77 and 66 really shouldn't be calling $300 on the turn. A4, A2 and A6 that made a weak flop float will call a value bet but we don't need to size that large.

We pot committed our self with our turn sizing.
Im kinda stumped as to what 3 guys called the flop with to be honest. I dont think anyone, besides maybe the whale in the SB is calling the flop bet with a gutshot but I could be wrong.
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03-04-2017 , 07:32 PM
Weird spot. I don't play 5/10 but knowing me I'd probably stick my last $615 not really knowing where I'm at, but knowing i have an over pair and hope that UTG had JJ and whale had A9.
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03-04-2017 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Redskins 47
Weird spot. I don't play 5/10 but knowing me I'd probably stick my last $615 not really knowing where I'm at, but knowing i have an over pair and hope that UTG had JJ and whale had A9.
The UTG raiser is not in the hand anymore. Its the button and the SB whale
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03-04-2017 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
The UTG raiser is not in the hand anymore. Its the button and the SB whale
I might check/fold then if button shoves. That flop/board should hit his range harder than UTG raiser.
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03-04-2017 , 08:36 PM
I checked. Button bet $925 with $500 behind. Whale covered both of us.
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03-04-2017 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Im kinda stumped as to what 3 guys called the flop with to be honest. I dont think anyone, besides maybe the whale in the SB is calling the flop bet with a gutshot but I could be wrong.
76 is a double gutter.

Turn should have been a check.

Did the SB fold to BTN's river bet?
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03-05-2017 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
76 is a double gutter.

Turn should have been a check.

Did the SB fold to BTN's river bet?
Yes
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03-05-2017 , 12:26 AM
It's pretty tough to piece together a bluffing range (that doesn't have enough SDV to ck) reliable enough to ck-call, particularly readless both ways and that's a problem in a polarized spot (he should have no strong made hands ott)

It's also too early to determine whether or not V is aware that you're aware he ought to have more value here with the SB in the hand.

Though shallow, he's repping flushes only, however otb he likely has a good number of them, K6hh...J5hh...43hh, that looked to turn equity, found some, and flatted your huge barrel given implieds.

So shallow though, ugh, but even without much left, its a very uneasy bluffcatch...probably folding.
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03-05-2017 , 02:55 PM
I'm looking at this and just feel like we are never good here after the flop. I definitely don't bet this turn, what can villans realistically be calling with that isn't smashing us up. We can't be betting this turn for value here, and we have no realiatic draws to charge.
Fold turn, fold river in my view.
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03-05-2017 , 03:06 PM
Preflop: I like the call

Flop: I too would have bet out..

Turn: I would have checked here, board is getting dangerous, and I don't like getting pot commited with one pair.

River: Meh, I would check fold
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03-05-2017 , 11:17 PM
$175 + ($100 * 4) = $575, OP says $475. Opinions may vary re turn depending if you bet $300 into $475 or $300 into $575.

Is Button a pro?

How can river ever be a x/c without more details on Villains and/or more reads/tells?
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03-05-2017 , 11:23 PM
When I get 3 callers with a one pair hand, I suspect that my hand is not the best hand and slow down. Take a look at solid UTG for example, what the hell is he checking/calling with once OP bets and then 2 people come along? I muck TT there.
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03-05-2017 , 11:39 PM
I agree with everyone for the most part. The turn is just a check, that is where the real mistake was in this hand. When we get multiway action on this board the turn smashes their range. If we are not behind already the river will often have us dead. I check the turn prepared to fold. As played instamuck! Rarely are people stone cold bluffing in multiway pots also.
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03-05-2017 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats
$175 + ($100 * 4) = $575, OP says $475. Opinions may vary re turn depending if you bet $300 into $475 or $300 into $575.

Is Button a pro?

How can river ever be a x/c without more details on Villains and/or more reads/tells?
Sorry. Pot was $575 on the turn and $1475 on the river. Yes the button is a pro.
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03-05-2017 , 11:41 PM
Its a very tough spot to be in on the turn, but checking is pretty weak. I was pretty sure I was ahead on the turn. Id rather overbet shove than just check and give up.
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03-06-2017 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Its a very tough spot to be in on the turn, but checking is pretty weak. I was pretty sure I was ahead on the turn. Id rather overbet shove than just check and give up.
Pretend to be BTN and/or UTG for one second, what is your range for flatting flop and then betting the turn if UTG+1 checks?

The worst hand I would bet the turn with if you check is 98ss for top two and then all the sets and 76ss for the nut straight.

I don't have KK/AA on BTN because I 3! pre and JJ is a bluffcatcher. UTG I'm torn between checking KK/AA OTT after seeing flop action with the intention of leading small on most rivers, and leading out 50% OTT. Either way, these hands beat you anyway. BTN I floated TT/A9ss (UTG I already mucked it) and these hands are bluffcatchers too.

You have huge protection against light turn bets because you clearly have an overpair at minimum, flop is 4 ways and SB is a huge fish who presumably hates folding.
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03-06-2017 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Pretend to be BTN and/or UTG for one second, what is your range for flatting flop and then betting the turn if UTG+1 checks?

The worst hand I would bet the turn with if you check is 98ss for top two and then all the sets and 76ss for the nut straight.

I don't have KK/AA on BTN because I 3! pre and JJ is a bluffcatcher. UTG I'm torn between checking KK/AA OTT after seeing flop action with the intention of leading small on most rivers, and leading out 50% OTT. Either way, these hands beat you anyway. BTN I floated TT/A9ss (UTG I already mucked it) and these hands are bluffcatchers too.

You have huge protection against light turn bets because you clearly have an overpair at minimum, flop is 4 ways and SB is a huge fish who presumably hates folding.
Honestly I cant think of a single hand that I would have and flat this flop OTB, besides 67.

Im not worried about lite turn bets if I check. There's only one player to act after me. Im worried about giving free cards to everyone. With 3 people besides me still in, and draws everywhere, I might as well concede the pot if I check.

I think its pretty clear the button doesnt have 67 after he didnt raise my turn bet.
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03-06-2017 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Its a very tough spot to be in on the turn, but checking is pretty weak. I was pretty sure I was ahead on the turn. Id rather overbet shove than just check and give up.
This is nonsense. No thought given towards ranges and combos.

We are not giving up. This hand can still be a two streets of value hand on the river if the turn action is amenable.

Betting the turn with a one pair hand given the board, callers etc. is overplaying the hand. QQ=AA here so we have the nut one pair hand. We are also not x/f the turn every time. If the action allows for BTN to be betting JJ/TT/A9 we can still call but it's all situational and sizing dependent.

Putting in >40% of your stack and folding an overpair on the river signals a mistake was made in the hand somewhere.
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03-06-2017 , 12:34 AM
Seems good. I'd bet More the flop but whatever.
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03-06-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
This is nonsense. No thought given towards ranges and combos.

We are not giving up. This hand can still be a two streets of value hand on the river if the turn action is amenable.

Betting the turn with a one pair hand given the board, callers etc. is overplaying the hand. QQ=AA here so we have the nut one pair hand. We are also not x/f the turn every time. If the action allows for BTN to be betting JJ/TT/A9 we can still call but it's all situational and sizing dependent.

Putting in >40% of your stack and folding an overpair on the river signals a mistake was made in the hand somewhere.
You dont think this is a tough spot on the turn multiway? I think its a bet/fold spot. I dont know how checking and giving 3 people free cards can be correct. Im pretty sure that if I posted this HH and stopped at the turn card and didnt show the turn action, people would say I need to value bet. I didnt get raised on the turn so its unlikely I was behind on the turn.
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