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10-11-2014 , 04:53 AM
Hero : mid 20's, been playing a long session and has 1800+ in front, just lost 500 in last 30 min and has all chips racked and is playing one last hand before leaving. Image is definitely tag but once in a pot, definitely willing to throw chips around.

Villian 1: mid 30's, maybe older, has 1050 in front and is a huge tag. has mentioned playing poker at casinos around the world and usually plays 2/5.

Villian 2: mid to late 20's, 500+( i just doubled him up 15 min prior) very lag and plays a lot of hands.

Villian 1 history, been playing together for about 6 hours, avoided each other for most part, he is on quite a heater as just winning 1400 pot aces vs kings and then losing 300 next hand. only hands we played, he opened a pot, 4 callers, i bet on flop and he check raised and showed nothing saying he didnt believe me. Also on 3 way pot opened by him, Hero call/ bluff/ bluff a pot later and Villian 1 check called down with top 2 whole way.

Hero: Q J hearts
7 handed 1/3

villain 1 limps utg, hero raises to 15 in middle, folds to villain 2 in BB, they both call.

Flop Jd 8s 6d, check check, hero bets 25, call, call though vilian 2 looked hesitant to call.

turn Qs, check, check, hero bets 85, Villain 1 folds, villain 2 bumps to 235
Hero ????

I am certain villain would open with 88 and above so only possible set is 66. I have not seen him check raise his big draws but he has not shown to many hands down.
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10-11-2014 , 04:57 AM
Fold pre and go home. C/r turn with deep stacks = nuts. Prob just cut my losses, say nice bluff, and leave.
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10-11-2014 , 05:02 AM
I think this is a set, T9, or QJ. Fold.
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10-11-2014 , 05:08 AM
I agree with most of the above, set idk if he flats flop... Looks more like a 10-9, unlikely he is going crazy with a Q-8 of diamonds he called in bb. I cant see u beating much here except a draw he just went crazy with.
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10-11-2014 , 05:55 AM
Hand history is messed up. I'm sure you meant that villain 2 folded on the turn and then villain 1 c/raised.
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10-11-2014 , 07:23 AM
I don't get why you discounted 88. V2 is the BB correct? You opened in MP and he called in BB right? Or are you saying he would have 3bet with 88+?
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10-11-2014 , 11:13 AM
Sorry hand history is messed up, it was villain 1 who c/r on turn
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10-11-2014 , 11:18 AM
With villain 1 limping utg, I was fairly certain that we would have opened if he had 88 so I threw it out
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10-11-2014 , 01:35 PM
Your mistakes start before you even got your cards. To start off with, never rack up unless you have stopped playing. As soon as you rack up, any decent player knows you've counted those chips as profit. You aren't going to risk them unless you have a monster. The second thing is that I'm guessing you have the 300 in front of you, not in a 4th rack. That tells everyone that your pain point is going to be 300. Finally, either decide to leave as soon as you think of it or wait until you are the BB if you want to squeeze out every "free" hand. It makes no sense to leave as the UTG.

The action to the raise is fine. Top two is a good hand and you should be betting the turn. The only real question is how wide is his bluffing range. He should have little to no 2 pair range. If you hadn't signaled you're leaving, it would be pretty small. You're making big bets the whole way and can have JJ just as easily as QJ. Since you did, it is more likely that he may decide you're going to fold everything but JJ and a bluff will pay off. Especially if he is a tougher player.

I'd fold, but if he shows you the bluff, blame yourself for giving him the opening to do so.
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10-11-2014 , 09:19 PM
You said vilain is a "huge tag" yet he open limped utg.

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I am certain villain would open with 88 and above so only possible set is 66
Either he's not very tight and open limps 9T / QJ or is value range is quite narrow (66, discounted 88, AdQd, maybe KdQd ?).

Did you note anything about prior hands he limped with ?
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10-11-2014 , 09:35 PM
Is Q8 and Q6 in V's range?

Have you seen V play 2-pairs like this?

Would V make big raises with Qx (pair + flush draws?)

If the answer to these questions is NO, then this is a fold. If you really believe V2 is capable of making plays with the above hands then you have to shove.

EDIT: against V1 (TAG) and this stack, I'd PUKE fold
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10-12-2014 , 02:45 AM
if you had an overpair here would u fold? cause your hand is aBOUT the same sine we really cant show up with worse 2 pairs looking at the action.

agree with others and fold. this is a very deep 1/3 game.
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