I have QdQ_, I'm chair 6 button is chair 4.

Tourist location, 1/3, I have $150 and am covered.

Villain in chair 3 is at least 70 yo. Fairly early in my session, he fits the demographic of OMC but he's played a couple hands so he's not crazy tight. I did get an impression he was going to be a straightforward player, however.

Chair 8, who will fold, raises to $7.

Chair 3 makes it $25, significantly more than any of his other bets I've seen ($6-$8).

I decide to raise to $50, and if I get called by chair 3 I'm probably up against KK or AA. (Feel free to question the wisdom of this.) He calls.

Flop comes 873 all diamonds.

Player next to me gets up and talks to his buddy, he was trying to be quiet, but I hear him say "I folded the nine and ten of diamonds."

Dang it I didn't write in my notes the action past this...I'm pretty sure I checked and V bet $50. I do distinctly remember that he bet because my read was that villain was not the least bit worried about losing the hand. People slam the cheques in differently when they have a sure thing.

Hero?

Once you've put a third of your stack in (with a min-raise that almost anything is calling) and flop three unders with the third-nut flush draw, you can't fold. Shove the flop. As played (we think), shove now.

For $150, I'm probably always going broke with QQ. So even though we're facing a 3bet preflop from an old guy, in a sense it isn't a "real" 3bet cuz the first raise was a lol minclick, and his reraise is almost a standard size initial raise. I would probably actually just jam at these stack sizes so as to make sure to get in the chips now versus AK/JJ/etc. before they can fold a bad flop. So not a fan of our sizing (although if he 4bet ships we can probably consider an insane hero fold). Have no idea why we'd put him on AA/KK if he just flats (I'd consider myself ahead almost always).

On the flop we have just a PSB left and we has an overpair; we're 100% committed, imo. He's not going to be able to fold any overpair (with or without a diamond) on this flop, so just ship it in ourselves. As played, just jam the rest in there, imo.

GyouhaveQQ/overpairat50bbs,you'rewayoverthinkingthings,imoG

TY, I have significant difficulty giving villains accurate ranges because if I was in villain's position I'm never showing up with a hand that's losing to the one I had.

I am a little surprised, I was thinking the fact that my outs...or maybe "outs"... are missing isn't more of a factor.

Even if dude shows us black AA we're ~flipping on the flop, so getting 2:1 on an all-in we should never consider folding. If he has an overpair + diamond / somehow outflopped us, nice hand sir.

Not even sure why we think we are behind at this point. We weakly checked to him, so he could easily be betting worse hands that he thinks are nuttish at this point.

Gagain:you'rewayoverthinkingthingsat50bbwithQQ,imo G

I would have should preflop - fold equity is a great thing. I would have shoved the flop - fold equity is a great thing. I’m shoving now.

When you min-raise to $50 preflop he’s calling with *everything*. Therefore it doesn’t make sense when you say “if he calls my raise I know he has AA/KK”

But really you should have just shoved preflop. You have 50 bigs. Get it in.

Why are you so nervous on the flop? You have an amazing hand. I would be shoveling money in and hi-fiving the dealer. Shove yourself it’s just a PSB and you’re flipping versus black Aces and way ahead of AK. Now that you checked, def check-raise all-in. You only have $50 behind, so you can’t just call.

Part of the skill of ranging is watching your opposition and seeing what hands they show up with….not thinking about what hands you’d show up with in their position.

So watch. Come up with a model for what a 3bet range looks like in your game. When your model is proven wrong, adjust it. Don’t give up. Tinkering with mental models is the fun part of poker IMO.

Or said differently, with you hand, your stack and this flop you can level 0 this hand. Doesn’t matter what V has.

I don't think FE really factors into any of our decisions in this particular hand?

Completely agree with this though.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I just rip pre and end it there. AP without an A/K high flop we are committed.