Pretty fishy table. There are two semi-decent players, who are pretty LAG. Rest of table pretty standard fish playing ABC.

One decent player is to my right, on the Button. the other is UTG+3
I have around 450. their stacks are like 1200-1400.

the two decent players have alot of history with one another, and enjoy playing pots with each other.

Rest of table 100-300.
$1/$2 with a $5 straddle.
UTG+1+2 fold.
Decent player 1 (DP1) makes it $25.
Folds to DP2. who flats.
I have 66. I decide to flat (Should i be 3betting to take down pot there? DP1+2 have capability of opening light, esp when there is a straddle)


bb+straddle fold.

Flop JJ3 rainbow
I check.
DP1 makes it 50
DP2 raises to 175
Hero?

Is there any reason to think we are ahead? Is there any reason to think we aren't?
I ended up laying it down, but idk? I am pretty sure DP1 is cbetting anything he raised pre with. AK AQ ATs KQs etc.. any amount of PPs.
DP2, is probably raising light, as not much makes sense about his raise after a limp pre? Is he really raising a jack when i still am to act, without any draws on board? I don't think so?
This flop is pretty good for 66? If i fold, then am i just playing so bad that I am looking to flop a set or give up?
I have no idea. My thought process is probably completely wrong.

I think flatting to set mine is fine. 3bet pre to "take it down" is poor thinking. You're risking too much to win too little to few a percentage of the time. There is no guarantee these guys are going to fold, you said yourself they are LAGs. Why would one of the deep LAGs fold to just a 3bet? There's a good chance one calls, a good chance both call too. So turning your 66 essentially in to a bluff preflop just doesn't work enough for you to be profitable. Also when you're called, you have absolutely no idea what to do unless you flop really good. If it comes out Q94, what do you do? What do you do on any board that doesn't have a 6 on it?

On the flop, just fold. Maybe heads up you can try and manuever, but not multiway. Way too risky, and probably -EV too.

Your thoughts reek of fancy play syndrome tendencies. At 1/2 you'd be much better off playing your hands face up and reading other's actions as if they were playing their hands face up.

Easy call to set mine preflop. Easy fold on the flop.

Flat pre fold post

OK to flat pf because they'll likely start spewing against each other if you hit your set. Trivial fold on the flop with a bet and raise in front of you.

$8 + $25 + $25 = $58.

If you 3bet to $58, the odds of either V folding is slim to none, but it is also the threshold of both V needing to fold more than 50% of the times to show profit.

$75? Both villain have to fold more than 56% of the times.

$100? Both have to fold more than 63% of the times.

Assuming they combine to open top 20% of overall range (66+, basically all the broadway cards minus 5 combos of JTo, A9o+, A4s+...)

Bottom 63% of that 20% are: A4s - A9s, K8s/K9s, Q9s/QTs, J9s/JTs, T9s, 66/77, QTo/QJo, KTo - KQo, A9o - AJo.

If they don't fold AJo, KQo, A9s, 66, 77, JTs, then they are only folding 46.4% of the times they raise with top 20% hands.

So if $100 raise requires both V to fold 63.3% to be even:

.633(58) - 100(.367) = ~0

And they are only folding 46.4% of the times:

.464(58) - 100(.536) = 26.912 - 53.6 = $-26.69

I think this is an appropriate line.. Often times we see players try ballsy 3-bets and often kills them. I think there are much better spots to 3b/bluff..

Also, I think it's important to consider why you want to 3b? A lot of the time I find I try pulling off complex bluffs/bets just to prove something to myself..

I'm fine with the preflop call.

On the flop, you should usually be folding. If you want to turn your 6s into a bluff, I'd just call the $175 and watch how DP2 reacts. Usually if he doesn't have a J, you'll be able to see it, and then you can donk-shove the turn for great FE.

The problem is that it's too easy for him to have a pocket pair smaller than JJ, but larger than yours. The jack is in both of their ranges, but so are pocket pairs and pure air. They're decent players, so your call on the flop will look massively strong.

That said, you should still usually be folding. This is a fancy bluff. There's no need to reach for it.

Nah man... you played the hand fine. It's the things that you were thinking about doing that are horribly incorrect. 3betting pre with this hand is bad. Your hand/postition/situation isn't nearly favorable enough to warrant "protecting". Continuing post flop after a bet and a raise is boarder line lunacy.

Standard call pre. Standard flop fold.

ShellGas explained why we dont 3bet as a (primarily) bluff.

Flop you just dont want to play a large pot here with an almighty pair of sixes. Not sure why you'd want to.