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07-28-2023 , 12:25 PM
1/3 NL

This is by far the loosest and most aggressive game I have played in during my very short NL career. Open raises have been between 15-25. 4-6 people are seeing a flop even when it is raised pre. There is one guy who is opening 20 every chance he gets (Button). He will always call if it is opened before him. If he has the betting lead he will bet all three streets pot size with or without hands. He has gone all in 4 times and had to go the bank machine. He is currently running well and has 800 in front of him.

UTG...He is the only other guy at the table who is tight. He has been very quiet so far over about an hour of play. He does have an open limping range. He has open raised a couple times but didn't show. He has 400 in his stack.

The hyper aggressive guy is on the button. I would consider all other players at the table as loose and somewhat aggressive. They are mostly calling stations post flop.

I am the effective stack with 300.

UTG opens for 15, two MP players call, the Button calls, and the SB calls. I have AdQs in the BB. I have a super nitty image but I don't know that it matters.

1) Under normal conditions is this a squeeze?

2) In this situation if I 3 bet to a normal amount, the button will call 100% and I think there is a chance that I might get one or possible two other calls. I don't really know what the UTG's range is. If I decided to escalate here would going all in make sense? UTG would be forced to fold a decent portion of his hands and I would think going heads up with the buttons range would be profitable if he called. There is lots of dead money. I would be a bit concerned that one of the others has a medium pair they wouldn't want to fold.

3) Am I too under chipped to be playing in this game? I have been buying in for 300 until I gain more experience.

What adjustments besides playing tight would you suggest for this game? A guy to my right has limped and then reraised a couple times with big pocket pairs. This seems good considering how agro the game is.

Last edited by mongidig; 07-28-2023 at 12:33 PM.
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07-28-2023 , 12:50 PM
What is the max buy in? Can you match the stack?
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07-28-2023 , 01:03 PM
Honestly, with the tight guy opening UTG at this game, I just fold preflop. I mean, is he really doing this with hands we dominate? Against a tight EP range, AQo is mostly destroyed or flipping and almost never in good shape.

And if I'm not folding, I'd probably just shove (which I'd do 100% of the time here against a loose opener, but this guy, meh). It puts JJ- to a tough decision and meanwhile there is massive dead money to go after ($75 already in the pot with only a $300 stack, so well worth the risk).

And calling and going to an eleventeen way lol ~3 SPR pot against the world OOP seems like suicide to me (and a spot I pretty much attempt to avoid at all costs). Although I guess there is some argument for ~nutmining for this price. But flopping TP in these spots will often put us in situations where we can make a massive postflop mistake (folding a huge pot with best of it / stacking off with the worst of it).

If anything, I think a smaller stack is actually easier to play in this game (I personally sit at $200 in my 1/3 NL game), but I'm very comfortable simply patiently waiting for premiums to setup comfortable stack off spots (mostly by limp/reraising). The bigger our stack is, the more difficult it is to setup comfortable stack off situations preflop.

ETA: And since it sounds like you are very early in your "very short NL career", I'd be extremely wary of playing deep in this game. You *really* need to know what you are doing in that environment, so it really isn't for the inexperienced, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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07-28-2023 , 01:05 PM
1) all day

2) It's UTG who's your main priority atm, not the button. His range is very strong (a tight player open raising from UTG). If this is the only session you've played with him (for about an hour) I'm still squeezing here, but with only 100 bb's (I'm assuming everyone covers you) a normal size would be almost half your stack which means you would have to call a raise, or you could lay 300 to win 75 and hope he has jacks or worse so as much as I hate flatting in these types of spots, it's 12 more and you're closing the action. I would hate to fold with so many people in the hand.

3) 100 BB's is fine.
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07-28-2023 , 01:22 PM
Meh, tough one because of UTG range. If we knew UTG was on the loosser side this would be an insta shove.

Let's put him on say 77+, suited broadways, AQo+. Given that, and the fact he might well fold 77-TT, and possibly JJ to our 3b, and we have blockers for AQ, AA, QQ, AK, I'm probably rolling the dice and still shoving.

Also I'd probably rather fold than call, because unless we flop 2p or better, we're likely either folding or getting into really tough spot OOP with a 1p hand multiway. I'd be much more comfortable flatting 88 here than AQo..

Last edited by hitchens97; 07-28-2023 at 01:31 PM.
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07-28-2023 , 03:38 PM
Shove. It is a pure 3bet, and your 3bet size would be at least 4x+ $15 for each caller, which is more than 1/3 your stack, so ship it. All the cold callers are very capped. Punish the clowns. UTG should have a decent amount of folds here which we want. Not in great shape vs UTG's reshoving range, but we still can have some equity there.
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07-28-2023 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
All the cold callers are very capped.
This actually isn't the case in a lot of LLSNL lineups, ime. AK/QQ aren't 3betting hands for some players and some are able to get tricky with KK+. Heck, even last time out I flatted AA and QQ (for better or worse) to a raise multiway hoping/expecting for the squeeze behind me.

Gnothatin',justsayin'G
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07-28-2023 , 05:29 PM
That is by far the exception to the rule and unless you had some reason to assume that was the case, I wouldn't play as if it might be the case.
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07-28-2023 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mlark
That is by far the exception to the rule and unless you had some reason to assume that was the case, I wouldn't play as if it might be the case.
I'd say only about half the 1/3 players I come across generally 3bet JJ/QQ/AK, but it's not overly effecting my decision because this game looks like they're playing very wide *and* we have blocers for QQ and AK, i.e. it's only a very small part of their range, and so not adversly effecting my decision to shove.
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