POTLIMIT 9 HANDED LIVE GAME, BLINDS $1/2:

Effective Stakcs about $220

"Hero has a tight winning image at the table. I have been outfolding my opponents since I sat down and I haven't bluffed yet"

Hero is dealt A9 in the CO seat.

EP and MP players limp, Hero in the CO raises to $11 (PSB) BTN calls, SB folds, BB calls, EP folds, MP calls.

Flop is 945, pots about $44 with 4 Players
BB checks, MP checks, I bet $35 for value, BTN calls, BB calls, MP folds.

Turn: J, 3 players - Pot is about $145
BB checks, Hero??????

I am never sure what I should be doing here on the turn. If I am ahead on the flop then there is a good chance I am still ahead now, but wat really gets me is that I got two callers and this always throws me off.

BB and MP players are loose and passive so they could have hands like 54, 98, J9, 76 A2, A5, A4, A9, K9, 44, 55, TT+ etc

questionable raise preflop.

I'd check back turn for pot control with a hand that is likely good but can't get much value and can't take any heat.

Why was it a questionable raise preflop?, I have position, I can use my image, I can check the flop and take a free card as most of time it gets checked to the raiser etc..

Checking back turn is okay if BTN wasnt in the hand, but since he is in the hand I dont want to give him a chance to bet and force me to fold the best hand. Normally I would check and fold to a bet since my hand is not great.

I am trying to change my game from the normal weak tight breakeven player I am and I want to max value from worse hands that are out there, checking wont do that. Checking lets BTN decide if wants to take the free card or not, most of their range is draws. Any bet commits me and its hard to control the pot when the pot is already this big.

Questionable raise because you give no reads on the people behind you and only a little bit of info on the two that limp. In general a9s isn't a hand you want to raise in a 3 way pot, even in position, and if it's likely to be even larger than that then it's almost certainly bad.





I think that BTN being in the hand has the opposite effect. If he wasn't then the pot would be smaller and we could go for thin value. As things are now, if you bet you're getting your stack in. With a pair of 9s that is pretty thin value. They would both have to be pretty big fish in order for you to be getting that much money in with just a pair of 9s for value.

You say most of their range is draws, but the only draw I see is 67. If you bet here you're getting value almost exclusively out of weaker 9s imo. You're value cutting yourself vs just about everything else. The only added bonus to betting is that you fold out 67, and get people to fold their 3 outers.

If we check and BTN bets (and BB folds) do we call?
If we check and BTN bets and BB calls do we overcall?

If we check and BTN checks behind, on any 8 or 3 river do we check fold?
If we check and BTN checks behind, do we bet any other river card or just hope to check it down?

Do we call a river bet?

I think betting on the turn helps me play the hand out or I can just check-fold since there isnt a lot of bluffing going on (but they can bet weaker hands just because I checked), I dont want to be put to the test and left guessing if I have the best hand or not. I truely believe that I have the best hand on the flop and the Jack didnt do much to improve their hands other than J9 (or KJ, QJ AJ JT if they peeled light on the flop)

I probably tend to overlimp hands like this preflop at tables where I'm likely to get 4+ to the flop. If I can get it HU with dead money in the pot then I'm more likely to raise.

I like the flop bet. Top pair in a multiway pot, I think we have to try to thin the field here.

Kinda a real ugly spot now (thanks in large part to our bloating the pot preflop, imo). We've only got a little more than a PSB left. With two callers and an overcard, I'm hoping to check this down. If anyone bets, I'm probably outta here.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I'm much more cooler with a raise if this is likely to get things HU, where we can then use our image to c-bet the flop, take it down and buy a hot dog. Our image obviously doesn't matter as much as we think it does cuz this just went 4 ways to the flop, in which case we're probably going to have to hit the best hand to win. Taking a free card on a flop that we'll most likely completely whiff doesn't have much of a benefit.

The button doesn't just have you to worry about and because of this he is more likely to play his hand straightforward.

What Gobbledy said. BTN is going to be playing pretty honestly here. There's also the chance that BTN bets and the other player calls, in which case we are almost certain that we're behind.

We'd probably be behind regardless though.

And yeah betting the turn is the easiest way to play the hand, but hands are always easy to play when you're all in.

I am getting a lot of cants and donts.

Dont raise preflop
I cant use my image
I cant use my position

What can I do? Open fold?

limp behind and use position.

What's wrong with overlimping?

We've got a rock tight image and yet 3 opponents called our preflop raise; what does this tell us about hands we should be raising vs limping at this table?

We can still make use of position (and perhaps image) in a limped pot. No use bloating it with a mediocre hand, imo. This hand is a perfect example. In a limped pot we'd probably have no problem letting this go on the turn, or *perhaps* firing one last non-committing bullet.

GimoG

Pot flop, shove turn.

You always say villains never fold. Now value town them.