Villainmid 40's Asian guy who is extremely aggressive. I have only been at table for hour and 30 minutes and I have only seen villain show down AK. He has to be playing 25%-30% of hands though. Seems to be competent though.

UTG limp 2.00
UTG+1 calls 2.00

$750.00Villain(MP)- raises $15.00

$240.00Hero(Button)J9 calls 15.00

UTG and UTG+1 call 15.00

POT=$60.00

FLOP 965

UTG/UTG+1 check

Villain- bets $40.00

Hero- calls 40.00

UTG/UTG+1 fold

Pot= $140.00

Hero- has roughly 185.00 behind

turn- 5

Villain- checks

Hero- in the moment I wasn't sure what to do. I don't think villain is cbetting AKAQKQKJAJ into 4 villains multiway. I also knew this was a great card for him to x/r an overpair with given my stack size. I have 185.00 left. Can we check back here for pot control??? Or do we bet and if so how much??? I was 60% bet 40% check. Remember it is 1/2 so take that into consideration please. Some of you guys give advice that applies to 5-10 tables where villains are extremely good poker players.

Hero-?????????

$15 is a bit much to be calling the raise preflop, even with position. One of your better outcomes is flopping a pair, and that will often be a tough spot for you. As here, with top pair. Villain may be aggressive, but 25-30% of hands isn't extremely loose.

You're leaning toward betting, and the reason you're hesitating is you sense a trap with an overpair. I'd say that x/r turn is a less conventional way to play an overpair, and we'd expect most people to keep betting rather than hoping you bet. Another reason he might check is that he wants to see the river cheap, either with a smaller pair or a backdoor flush draw.

I'd give villain a range of AA-99, 88-77, AK-A7s, KQs-KTs, QJs, a few other things. How would you range villain? What would you do then?

when he cbets into 4 players multiway I have him on 1010-AA...87 suited..maybe 88 77 A9....its 1-2 and with no read he could do this with AKAQ KQ AJ maybe backdoor flush draw but I don't think so but it is possible

I felt like villain had to be strong to c bet into 4 players 40 into 60 on a 965 flop especially vs 2 limpers cuz that hits there range

Don't call with this hand pre flop unless you are confident you can outplay your V. If you put V on a strong range on the flop, just fold (although I think he can easily c-bet wide after two checks). Only other option on flop is raise, but most people can't fold an over-pair, so not worth it unless you are shoving all turns.

As played, I just check and see a cheap river (hope for a 9).

Java when you say raise the flop are you saying turn our hand into a bluff because we certainty aren't raising for value plus we have those limps still to act

we cant raise the flop

Yes, bluff. It's 1,000X better than calling. However, you put him on a strong hand, so just fold for goodness' sake. (You should never have called the $15 pre if raising a 9-high flop is not in your arsenal. Probably should have folded regardless.)

lol java i cant raise the flop i have 2 people that limped behind that still have to act its multiway not heads up

folding flop seems reasonable

Fold pre, you aren't even closing the action. Also did UTG and UTG+1 originally limp? On the flop call is fine, on the turn you have a tough decision ( as you gonna have often with J9), but I think it would be interesting to bet something like $40-60 and fold to x/r. I would bet because there is a ton of cards you don't want to see OTR and can credibly rep full houses and straight . It's possible for a V to have FH or quads though, trying to lure you in. More likely than him having AA,KK,QQ.

guys read the damn post lol yes they limp called

If you can't raise this flop because of two limp/callers who checked, you should never, ever, ever be calling pre, and if you do, you should absolutely fold flop.

to each is own but as played what is your turn play

I already wrote now that you are here you should check. Why on earth would you bet?

oops sorry didn't see

Heres the problem with giving advice on a hand like this:

We all know that poker is a game of incomplete info. We try to figure out what villain has (narrow his range) based on the info we have from our mental database on players in general and this player in particular. The more we can narrow his range, the better we can play against him. The better you are are narrowing a players range, the better player you will be.

You said hes extremely aggressive. Then you say his range on the flop is

"when he cbets into 4 players multiway I have him on 1010-AA...87 suited..maybe 88 77 A9".

If that's his range, you need to fold the flop. You dont call preflop with J9s and continue with TP weak kicker against a guy if that's his range....BUT.....if hes "extremely aggressive", that's NOT his range.

In summary, there is no way for us to help you play this hand because the incomplete info you gave us doesnt compute. We might as well be playing blind.

why cant that be his range if he is aggro lol his c betting range will be completely diff vs 3 other villains than if it was heads up

his post flop range should be more narrow when he c bets this board with 3 other villains however if it was hu it could be wider

aggro players can get good cards too lol

top pair decent kicker backdoor flush draw and the capability to turn my hand into a bluff with position and a bad run out for him as long as other players fold I'm not folding here just yet

LOL. I would c-bet this flop with almost my entire raising range once UTG and UTG+1 checked. Of course, you didn't give us info on them, so maybe you know something about them we don't? If they are typical LLNL players, c-betting every time because they most likely can't continue.

And, if that's the range YOU give him, why did you call (I know you agree it was wrong, but what were you thinking?)? Why are you considering betting turn (maybe you are not, but just checking to see if your check was OK, which it is if that's what you did)?

this is why i called ( not saying i am right ) i have position ..top pair decent kicker..backdoor flush draw (although given my stack size i don't think its right play if we were deeper it be better ) i have the capability of turning my hand into a bluff... example any 7 6 8 or even 10 come that hits all my range and is extremely hard for an overpair to call there ( if he checks the turn )

AM i just crazy or is someone understanding my logic

plus i could always peel a J or a 9

the turn is just garbage card

If I'm playing J9dd here I am coming in for the three bet. You flopped top pair and are in a tough spot in position. You said folding flop seems reasonable. With a $240, you can't call $15 pre with the plan to fold top pair on the flop. If you are waiting for better than top pair, then you don't have a deep enough stack.

3 betting pre generates fold equity (winning $20 pre with J high is a pretty good result), most likely gets HU at worst, and allows you to be the aggressor going forward.

As played, I think his turn check is pretty weak. At 1/2 just because he continues into a 4 way pot, doesn't necessarily mean he is strong here. He can see it as a dry flop and can easily cbet a backdoor flush draw with two overs kind of hand.

I don't mind betting or checking the turn - although I def prefer checking. Checking means I am probably calling most of his river bets if he leads river. Betting is also fine because I think it is pretty likely he has two overs or 88/77.

I'm not sure you are deep enough for that to work or to call $40 and whiff, which is most likely what will happen.

BTW, how does V see you?

100% biggest mistakes are always pre flop

But OP is convinced he has an over-pair, 78 or maybe 88/77. We think he might be wrong, but he's the one at the table. If he bets here and V folds, his read was totally off and our concept of the hand is moot.

Exactly, which is why you should have folded.

if villain tighter player is calling okay? i feel like j9 suited can play well in position especially if we can play postflop well