Table info:
Sort of loose preflop (everyone) and more than 2 people at the table has bluffed. 2 or 3 LAG players with deep stacks and rest regular decent players. Have seen a rediculous amount of donkery.

Villain info:
Friends with a rec at the table who was having fun. Could tell he was a little more experienced. About 21 years old didn't play many hands mostly called preflop and then got out of the way. Oppenent has taken down a couple pots without showdown although with bets on turn and some c bets on flop.

Position:

Hero is sitting in middle position UTG +3
Villain is on BUTTON.


Hero is dealt 33 and it's limped to me.
I raise to $6 and get 6 callers.

Flop brings A58 Pot: ($36)

Everyone checks to Villain on BUTTON and he opens for $15
Folds to Hero
Hero raises to $35 and villain calls

Turn makes the board A583 Pot: ($106)

Hero leads out for $58 and villain cold calls

The J falls on the river Pot: ($222)

Hero checks, villain shoves all in for hero's remaining $45 and I snap call Pot: ($312)

Villain shows AJ
Ship it.


How do you like how I played this hand? Is 2x raising a 1/3 pot cbet/donk bet from the button a profitable move here in hopes of making him fold his non-ace/flush draw range, or to make him fold on turn and river. Does leading out for just over half the pot make sense when the 3rd club hit? Checking river?

The raise pre was not the worst (you got 6 callers) I don't mind the c/r as long as you were intending to give up if he flatted with no 3. The question is what was your plan after he called?

Include stack sizes please. I don´t like the flop at all. Even if you think the button is FOS, there are four other players who can easily have hit this flop one way or another. Your image is now ruined if you planned on playing a LAGish game. Tighten up and play nitty now. If you go for some fancy play post flop, expect to be called down.

I didn't include my thinking in that sorry.... I check raise there and get a ton of folds by quite frankly good hands. Also, when Vilian flats I can evaluate turns and even catch turns such as the three .

Yes. I completely agree. Nice! The four other oppenents in the hand on the flop were not included in the villain description sorry. You could read there face like a book they checked that flop and didn't have a single piece. Lol

[QUOTE=kookiemonster;47843018If you go for some fancy play post flop, expect to be called down.[/QUOTE]

Yes I love doing these types of things In my play. One of those villians in the middle of us actually doubled me up when I got it in crushing him with jacks.

Nearly a min check raise for 25% of your stack on a board where you have two outs and one is dirty? What could go wrong?

Your only hope here is that villain is on a stone cold bluff, which considering that he is betting into 5 people seems unlikely. Barring a soul read on the villain this is pure spew.

Please explain your thought process on each street.

My flop raise gets a lot of c bets and air hands out. When I hit turn I wanna lead out because after he calls he is more likely at the top of his range. I check river with full intent to check call.

On the flop after he called I give up if he bets the turn

I'm not a fan of the 3x raise live. Only seems to bloat a pot. We don't have any showdown value, or position. This has to be a leak, although it worked out here, it's going to lose much more money than it wins.

I suppose I could live with the Axs tiny raise to sweeten the pot and hope that I flop the flush and people can't get away.

I'm not doing this with KK+ unless I know I'm going to get raised and have a chance to re-raise. It's only slightly more deceptive that limp re-raising.


I don't hate the raise. I'd go at least $45 and maybe $60 to rep a stronger hand and push him off the Ace or flush draw. If you are raising for value, convinced that he has neither, than it's fine. Lots of limpers that check to the BTN, the BTN doesn't need much at this table to fire 1/2PSB


Our 2nd most desired card. Have to fire here. Stack sizes would determine how willing I am to get the rest of it in here.

$144 was your starting stack, and V covers.
Pre - $6
Flop raise $35
Started turn with $103 and $106 in the pot.
I know it's all going in, and putting in $50+ here guarantees that it will go in now or on the river.

With $45 left, and a pot of $222, do we think V is folding to our shove?
Just ship it in.


I'm not an expert, but I am an experienced 1/2 player. I think you'll get stacked way more often than catch and win with this plan.
Raising preflop without a read/plan is terrible. If you thought that it might get you HU and you could outplay V... but as we are set mining, let's do it for the cheapest price and just limp. Maybe if we expected V to raise to $15, but call $6 it's preferable, but in that case, I'll limp/fold the 33 in MP.

I am a fan of the 3x raise IP, 4x OOP (+1x for callers of the raise in both cases). I don't like the OOP min raise of the cbet (would have been a donk bet if V was before you). With virtually any draw, V has got the odds to call. Any piece is coming along. You aren't deep enough to put pressure on V.

If the 3rd club didn't give you a set, it's horrible to lead out. We see that V called with TP and a draw. Again, being OOP hurts.

Checking to induce? It's 20% of the pot. V is never folding.

This is 100% spew.

You're never moving anyone off TPGK or FD on this board at 1/2.

Only Tom Dwan is betting $15 into 5 players in a $36 pot of cold callers, anybody else at live 1/2 has it.

Thank the poker gods for the miracle 3.

Damn this is spew