Lets say we are UTG and the game is $1/$3 LIVE game

We are dealt KQ

We raise $20 in UTG+1 at a 10 person table preflop and get 5 callers. Pot is at $100 and flop comes

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how much are we bidding?? Do we stick with are standard amount of 2/3-potsized bet or do we not need to bid as much since the pot is so bloated. Assuming everyone has 100BB stacks.

Seems like if we bet near pot on all streets we value town ourselves a lot.

I know player dynamics play a huge roll in this but I am sure you guys get the jist of it.

i check the flop.

Isn't this closer to a c/f than a bet with six people seeing the flop?

Idk because I only play 6max

move to small stakes live, wtf @ 20 open pre, checking now and probably folding.

Ok that is what I was thinking as well but it is not common for me to get 5 callers opening to 20 live. I am mainly a 6max only player and when I switch to live I am new to these situations.

you are playing way too loose. fold preflop, KQ is trash with 8 people left to act. check flop, top pair is trash with 5 other people in the hand.

Probably still a profitable open if my opponents are calling with 35% of their range won't you think? My postflop advantage and more then likely card advantage should make up for the positional disadvantage. Usually I would get 2 callers but sometimes 5 come along haha.

lol, KQo plays horribly multiway and if you are leading this board your 'postflop advantage' is a lot smaller than you think.

Fold pre, raise less.

Why are we bidding, is this an auction?

As played bet like half pot and fold to a raise.

mate, you're posting a standard question about flop bet sizing into a bloated pot. are you sure you have such a postflop advantage playing out of position that you want to raise 10x BB UTG with a classic trouble hand?

What our stack size? Villains stack sizes?

I love how your original post doesnt even hint at the fact that checking this flop even ever crossed your mind. Thats bad. Just cause we have top pair means nothing. Im not so sure id be exactly c/f, but pay attention to the flop texture for god's sake.

Well my thought process might be ******ed in this hand but I didn't actually play a hand like this I just threw something out there real quick to see what you guys would bid into a pot like this on average with a top pair good kickerish type hand with so many callers so we don't value pwn ourselves.

Lets say the board is with 5 callers. In general they are all 35/5/1.5 players and play the same. (each with $300 stack)
Questionable raise preflop but I get bored at live so here is the new flop.

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first one was a bad example I wanted the board somewhat coordinated so it was good enough to bet but not so coordinated where we would want to check fold it.

btw I am a 600NL reg online so I would hope I have some postflop advantage over live players =D play live for fun every once in a while.

id ask for a new deck, this one has two kings of clubs.

Its pretty interesting reading primarily online players' responses to threads that wrongly get posted in those forums before being moved here.

KQ is a fine open in some live games.

The flop I would b/f. But probably on the smaller side. Stack sizes, as usual, are necessary to say too much about the hand though. At least your stack size.

I'm a live player and see no problem with your opening. Unfortunately, you got every man and his dog calling. I probably c/c depending on the bet size.

Is a $20 bet size standard in your game to only get 1 or 2 called? I play 2/2, and to have only 1 or 2 callers you need to make it atleast $12. Just wondering if it's one of the situations where you didn't bet enough pre-flop.

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leading the flop is terrible

raising with K/Q from UTG is meh...

really depends on table dynamics.

lol

Sorry for the confusion and bad hand set ups I didn't really put much thought into them. Basically what I am mainly wondering about is in bloated pots with multiple callers with top pair top kicker where we feel we should bid do we bid enough to price in draws or do we not need to bid so high since the pot is already so bloated and it seems like we would value town ourselves by basically being forced to shove the turn if we bet 2/3 pot for 2 streets. If you know what I am saying kind of.

you have to rearrange your starting hand selection planning for multiway pots. people are right when they say opening KQo in EP just isn't a great situation to be in. You don't have any deceptive value because you have exactly what most people will think you have.

Broadly... when you play in these games where 3-5 people go to the flop regularly you want to have hands that play well multiway specifically and you want to be in position. Suited aces, small pocket pairs, suited connectors.

In this hand, we have a hand that opponents can easily put us on that offers no deception and we are also out of position. This creates a situation where we are mostly going to win a small pot or lose a med./big pot.