UTG+2 or MP raises 3BB

we see 1-2 callers ahead of us

you have QJs or Kjo from blinds. whats your play? I used to fold these hands but lately now im flatting behind with broadway cards. I haven thought about raising much since I think we are lighting money on fire. dont want to build a huge pot with multiway oop. even when i see 2 loose players involved where we might have slightly better hand


problem is with these hands, i often whiff the flop and c/f, which is okay but feel this might be a leak. at first I thought playing these hands and hitting flops hard is how we want to play these hands, LP, seems optimal to call QT+ when we see action in front but from blinds idk

how do you guys play suited/unsuited broadway on flop?

Pretty huge difference between suited and unsuited, and what your cards are (KQ is significantly better than QT, suited or unsuited).

In general, unsuited broadways can always defend for 2bb and have enough equity at showdown, provided you don't hugely overplay one-pair hands and can somewhat hand-read and know when you should be value betting turns/rivers and when you should just check and call.

Suited ones, depending on positions of the raisers, can often be played for 3 bets. This question is way too general.

I forgot to mention that whether you are SB or BB also matters a lot. From the SB you should be folding your worst broadways as you don't close action and your pot odds are worse.

thanks, love your pic btw.

i guess to say preflop. I just want to know what/when are people flatting raises MP-LP with broadway cards?

I just see HHs and people who make good hour rate who call a lot of raises with KT, QTo, KJo and manage to do well postflop. just want to know their thought process behind hands like that and if a majority of people do it often.

I would be careful 3 betting suited broadways vs MP and especially EP opens. If there is no fold equity, stick to a strong value range. Suited broadways can always be flatted in both SB and BB and should never be used as a bluff since there are hands like 75s which can't really be flatted but vs the right villains can be bluffed.

As for offsuit broadways, like the poster above said, call all of them (except AK and sometimes AQ) in the BB and fold the weak ones in the SB.

so we are ok calling an MP raiser with Qjo/KTs those type of hands?

I used to fold these hands since I feel if I hit, usually im value towning myself

YES! Especially the suited broadways. Folding them is criminal. But it sounds like you're overplaying top pair questionable kicker. If that's the case, then it's fine to fold the weaker offsuit broadways until you stop doing that. Actually, call anyways. Just remember to not overplay them. Gotta learn eventually.

yeah shifting to calling kj, qjo in LP against MP raise and raise and 2 calls and I call behind.


you think I shoudl add in QT and KTo? whast the worse KxQx offsuit hands I should call facing a raise and a call or just a raise?

Don't call anything worse than AJo when not in blinds.

What's your plan post-flop, i.e., what do you need to hit otf to continue? If you believe you are coming in with a weaker hand [on avg] than your V[s] & giving up the initiative by flatting [devaluing the fact you're IP], is it the skill level you have over your V[s] that will make it possible to win with a weak holding post-flop?

KJo has ~20% equity thru the flop vs a raising range of 12% & calling range of 15%.
Or the LJ o/r with 20% of holdings & HJ calls with 25%, then you have 25% equity thru the flop & 27% thru the turn, putting up 33% of the money. So, if you're giving up hand strength & initiative over your Vs, & putting up a larger percentage of the money compared to your equity, what's your plan post-flop?

What kind of Vs do you need to play like this with unsuited RIO hands, where you limp behind?

Agreed. Which is why I'm going to lock this.

OP, you want to start with putting the raiser on a range. Then compare your hand against that range. Since you're asking this question, you should assume that your skill level isn't significantly different than your villains'. The one thing you're certain about is that you'll be out of position in the hand. Finally, you won't have the initiative if you call.

I think when you add all this in, you'll find you'll want to fold most of your broadways from the blinds. That isn't to say you have to fold them all the time. If the circumstances are right, I like a raise. However, that means the initial raiser is playing near maniac level, but isn't going to defend unless he has something decent. The other players are going to fold to my 3 bet and my image is tight and not out of line.

As for calling, the weaker broadways are what Doyle Brunson called years ago trouble hands. They gave him problems at a time when his skill set was vastly superior to everyone else. They are also called reverse implied odds hands. When you win, you'll not win very much. If the pot gets big, your top pair hands aren't likely to be good.

If you want to open up your game, start adding hands on the button, not the blinds. They are far easier to play.

Locked.