Table is the usual loose passive villains. Hero's image is that of MANIAC

Main Villain is OMC. Hero has played two huge hands with main villain in the last couple hours. Getting AI pre with KK against AJ for $300 eff and losing and then stacking off Villain with turned straight against over pair an hour later.

Rest of the table is limping all but QQ+, AK and playing small passive post flop pots. Other pertinent Villain info; UTG is OWC, raising pre with only KK+ and limping a lot of hands. She calls too much, but rarely makes it to the showdown without the near nuts, also on a heater and sitting on a good sized stack.

Stacks: SB - Hero ($600), UTG - OWC ($900), BTN - OMC ($450)

OTTH: Entire table limps. Hero in SB with 5 5.

Hero?

Small pp, plays well multiway, near nutted when it hits and weak vulnerable sdv when it doesn't, we're oop with probably little fe... I'm probably just completing and x/f on missed flops.

You didn't say what the stakes are or how many at table. Doesn't matter yet but the pot size will matter on the flop.

Doesn't matter yet because calling preflop is best. Raising is bluffing with a hand too good for it. If you get reraised you will have to fold and that is a waste of a hand that can flop well.

I forgot to include stakes. Stakes are $1/3 NL with $300 max buy in. Table is 8 handed. Thanks for the reminder. I had a slightly longer post typed up that my 2-year old came by and deleted Quick re-typing lost a couple important details.

Agreed. Pre-flop is trivial enough that I'll move on pretty fast here.

At the time, I considered bombing pre-flop with a $30 raise or so to take down the $20 or so already in the pot, not a bad result at all for 55. But the odds are great to set-mine and our position is nut low, so...

Hero completes. BB checks option.

Flop comes 2 4 5 ($21 after rake)

Hero?

Lead flop, 75% pot

Lead $15-$20 or check/raise. If you think somebody will bet then a check/raise is good but I would almost always lead a limped pot. Somebody probably has a straight or flush draw and you can probably some over pairs to call.

The real questions start when there is a lot of action on the flop and you have to consider the chances somebody at A3.

OMC isn't getting AIPF for 100BBs with AJ. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding how OMC is defined here?

I'm leading $20 on this flop. I think we get the same action whether we lead 15 or 20 and we have to believe we have the best hand at this point. I don't like the C/R as the table is going to assume we have minimum of a set.

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I consider leading, but feel that a check raise will likely get paid better considering my image. At this point the table feels I am outrageously aggressive and are giving me little fe.

More to the point I want to play for stacks, and a cr we'll get more money in. The risk of checks around felt worth it.

Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $15.
4 callers to BTN who raises to $30.

Hero? (Pot $125)

150 to go is a quarter of your starting stack against UTG and a third against the button and gets you comfortably in on the turn. You're going to get the usual silly minraise is always the nuts, call to boat mine stuff, but with the flush draw out there the cascade of callers and dumb raise mostly mean capped ranges. You have the effective nuts and everybody is interested so bomb it.

OMC minraise means the rides about to get bumpy. Any idea what he plays this way? It's really a bad play no matter what he has so it's hard to put him on anything.

$100 looks like a good size while still giving you a chance to fold if there is too much action behind you. Against one the chance of a lower set is too great but if two or more villains are willing to move in after this action I might be willing to give one credit for the flopped straight.

A raise is certainly called for, the question is of sizing. The check/ 3 bet it's do strong I don't expect a lot of non set hands worse to call. But nor can we have flush draws getting to draw cheap.

Hero raises to $100.
Cascade of folds bank to Villain on button.
Villain calls.

Pot ($395)
2 4 5 turn: 9

Hero?

wtf minraises five callers then flats the check/3bet? Ship.

Unless i misread villain has less than a potsize bet left? Uhhm shove?
Yeah A3 and possibly 63 are out there, but on the other hand so are 22/44/66-88/FD's.

Also, we are the maniac and our OMC opponent apparently called off with AJ pre and 1 pair ott for stacks?
Perhaps the player descriptions in the OP are the wrong way round?

Player descriptions probably could have been tweaked here

Hero bets $150.

Why no jam? Well, it strongly occurred to me as we have less a PSB left here. Frankly, I wasn't worried about losing the hand as much as letting his FD's and weaker holdings have more of an opportunity to fold.

This was a live read that I would not have used against anyone else at the table. Despite the action so far I felt that Villain was fairly weak and would only keep calling if the stakes weren't too high Weird, I know.

So here's the action so far.

Hero in SB with 5 5

Pre: Limped to Hero who completes.
(Pot $21)
Flop: 2 4 5
x to UTG who bets $15... 4 callers to BTN who raises to $30.
Hero 3-bet to $100, all fold to BTN who calls.
(Pot: $295)
Turn: 9 Hero bets $150, Villain Calls.
(Pot: $595)
River: 7

Hero? Well, Hero jams for Villains remaining ~$200.

Villain calls and shows 3 7
Hero scoops pot and stacks chips!

Thanks for playing with me!

Getting paid off by a busted OESD+FD when it rivers a pair here is just silly. Hero misplayed every street.

Agree it is silly. As for miss playing every street, that is ridiculous hyperbole.

I believe a shove on the turn is best, and sizing to that would have been better.

Flop minraise with a gut shot draw and a low flush draw isn't an OMC play. And calling off the river with middle pair low kicker is silly. This looks more spazzy then anything. Still, in a limped pot vs a maniac low stakes players that are normally tight will sometimes spazz out.

Your turn bet is too small. Villain with a combo draw is actually getting close to the straight odds to call but that isn't really the problem. The real problem is that villain should be folding river because he beats only total air. The turn was your best chance to get villain's money.

Completely agree with you. Turn was miss played, and only due to spazz did we get max.

It is absolutely not ridiculous hyperbole. You have to raise pre so as not to have to worry about going broke in a limped pot. But hey, here you let in the 73s that paid you off. Yay results. Once villains' ranges are capped you should be shoveling money into the pot before something comes off and kills your hand or your action. Or sizing small enough to get away if you're mubsy about omc's minraise. You already know why turn is bad. River should be a c/c to get anything more out of his range but again, results.

I get that you're digging in your heels trying to defend that hero misplayed EVER SINGLE street, but I am guessing most on here will agree with not raising pre-flop from the SB with 55. You bloat the pot OOP, likely get a lot of calls given hero's image, and shrink the SPR.

I'm not crazy about how hero played some of the other streets, but nothing wrong with pre-flop.

I think that there are really three options pre.

1) Limp in.
Pros: Cheap, easy to play post flop from SB
Cons: Allows a lot of hands to catch up to us

2) Raise $15-$20
Pros: Builds a much larger pot, and possibly (maybe) gets a few folds.
Cons: Builds a large pot where we are OOP and will play with a mediocre to poor hand OOP with SPR of 2-3.

3) Raise $30+
Pros: Will likely take down pot pre.
Cons: All of those of #2. 'specially bad when people will limp call QQ- in this game.

I think option 1 >> 2 >>>>3.

Flop is a split IMO between leading and x/r. With that many players in a hand I think that the c/r is likely to happen, and will build a larder pot faster if we are intending to play for stacks. But either way is fine. I think it is a little too dogmatic to say leading is the ONLY way to play the flop. c/c seems too weak with a hand of this strength.

Turn is a jam. However, we are still a little over a PSB there, and that is with a nearly PSB on flop. Stack sizes are a little awkward here, but I think that a turn jam for even a 1.5 PSB is still called for.

Frankly my posting of this hand was mainly to have a little fun with it, and to remark that I think posters on this site continue to underestimate the ability of LLSNL players to call with any piece of the board.

It's like they are allergic to being bluffed, and are willing to Sherriff with anything just to make sure. Goes double if we have an overly agro image.

LOL. You really think that the kind of passive player we are talking about is going to bet anything on the river??!!

I understand about letting agro types hang themselves on a draw, but passive players call WAY more with nothing than they raise with a busted draw.

Understand, I'm not defending the turn play as I already said that I think it was poor. But river is not really a question in my mind, and this is not the only example I could give you of such silliness. Perhaps its my image, but I get paid off a couple times a month on this kind of nonsense with these passive types. God forbid I ever bluff one of these guys!