I really hate the fact that we went for a check/raise on this incredibly drawy board; if the flop checks thru it is a disaster.

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure I'm pumped raising the bet. I think we sorta end up hating life if we face a 3bet (a 3bet! In live pokers! After we showed the most possible strength we could possibly show by check/raising!). If we face a 3bet, even though this board is drawy, I think we now have to lean towards considering the 3bet is trying to protect a made hand instead of going all nutso with a draw, and there ain't a lotta made hands we're ahead of here since there shouldn't be too many 2 pair combos in play. For 100 BBs, sure, whatever, if we're coolered we're coolered. But for 260+ BBs, meh, this is no longer a cooler if we get it in with the worst hand. At this point I might just call the bet and donk safe turns?

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Exactly my feeling on how this hand played out, if he leads out we can def play the hand straightforward, but now we checked, I feel flatting is optimal.

It's not letting him catch up, we are letting him be the aggressor and seem like we are the one flushing. He will either continue or check and either one we are jamming on a safe turn.

One problem I see with this. If we bet/call the flop and check the turn he will most likely check behind any draws to get to the river. So I feel that by bet/raising the flop we are putting him to a decision for his stack on the flop. I'd rather be raising the flop than calling and checking to see him get a free river.

Value bet the turn, no check/raising. Set-up river shove.

We're not really repping a draw if we're betting the turn, are we?

I'm not even paying attention to this thread, clearly you should always be betting, but somehow this hand turned into a donk fest. And he chose the passive line, you have to bet sometime, clearly no longer a draw line, but you have to get some value. This hand is so super standard it's unreal. Flop a set on a drawy board, you can choose to go passive or choose to go for stacks fast.

IF you choose for stacks fast, you bet.

If you want to be passive, check and check raise turn, it's not that hard.

Fold preflop if you're only going to be happy with quads.

lolumad? Don't get frustrated at me because you can't remember what you typed. It's okay, we all make mistakes sometimes.

Was funny, well played.

Thereby value-owning himself. Look, if he was on a flush draw and he knew you had a set, would he bet? He has two problems: 1. He's way behind on the flop, and 2. Some of his outs give you a full house.

As for the set vs. set thing, add up all the times you value-bet the crap out of somebody calling you down with
-top pair
-two pair
-draws

and compare that with the times you got coolered with
-better set
-boat

I must just not get it. I mean, to me there's no comparison, although I guess in order for that to work, you have to value bet your sets when you get them. Which is the whole point. I mean, the title of this thread should be, "how am I supposed to make money with this set?" You're like a bear, man, a big scary bear, and you look down at those big claws, and say, "what am I supposed to do with THESE?" And the villain, he's scared of you man, he's like a little bunny, he's just sitting there trembling, and you just won't kill him.

This is like the one PAHWM where I really don't want to know the results, I might just have to slit my wrists.