C’mon bro people call me a nit sometimes in these forums but i aint ever folding here in a million year

Late to the party but making it $100 pre. You said villain opens all kinds of junk in EP. Sounds like a true LAG. In addition to the 10-12% range that TAGs would open from EP, he's probably got a few % of said junk. So he's definitely in the mid to upper teens. I think your fold equity is decent and the range that is forced to continue because he's opening too wide isn't really crushing AQs.

Flop I think is a mix between bet and x/c. I don't think we need to x/r flop and GII. Our hand has a good amount of showdown value. What are his postflop tendencies? Does he barrel off too much? Then x/c down and possibly make a hero call with ace high on bricked rivers since you block AK/KQ. Does he float and bet turn too much? Then cbet flop and x/shove turn unimproved. The only problem with triple barreling is that a good villain realizes that on a king high flop our value range is way smaller than on a ten high flop.

You have to be trolling. Getting it in is massively +EV OTF. May not be optimal EV but no question it is +EV




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so because we all don't have a DEGEN habit to feed we are trolling

all you GII on each and every thread posters better stick to your day jobs

you range V as wide as you need to make your numbers work and justify your need to get a fix.

what exactly is this MASSIVE + EV you speak off 12% 16%

the mere fact you think its no ??????? should end all discussion then
WELL FOLKS SLIM SAYS ITS A NO BRAINER WHY DISCUSS FURTHER

LOL

uhhh if you don't see how this is a +EV spot I'm not sure what to say. Here is a preflop range and how we play against it:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

204,930 trials (Exhaustive)

board: K74

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdQd	69.81%	138,512	9,112
77, 44, 88-AA, JdTd, Jd9d, 9dTd, KQ, KJ, QJ, Ax	30.19%	57,306	9,112

No clue if that is an appropriate preflop range or not. Just threw some random hands in there. Here we are against a continuing range if we bet flop (ie strongest of his pre-flop range)

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

193,050 trials (Exhaustive)

board: K74

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdQd	48.32%	93,286	0
Kx, 77, 44, AA, dd, TT-QQ	51.68%	99,764	0

Both are +EV spots to GII and it simply isn't close.

Snowman

DUCY these are almost always +EV spots? Care to provide a REALISTIC continuing range where we are -EV (hint: there isn't one)

Snowman I think the disconnect is you're playing your particular hand (a flush draw) instead of a range of hands (all the hands you want to be able to bet in this spot). In every spot in poker I am playing my range of hands, whether or not we have a flush draw or AA this time shouldn't matter when we devise a strategy for 3b pots.

I don't disagree with this

its the tidbit that OP said V reads his PGC thread that's messing me up here
looking for that little AH HUH moment he springs on us later.

He's 100% trolling. JUST LOOK AT THE WAY HE TYPES!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

In another thread, this guy suggested open folding AQo UTG and UTG+1 and worse, folding AQo UTG+1 when a whale straddles 3.33 bbs UTG.

EDIT: Oh no he read his PGC thread? Oh no!

the next time your about to get felted because you played any two cards;
before you say all-in
just think to yourself "what would snowman do here"

Villain has read my PGC and commented in it. I didnt mean to say he reads it like its his favorite comic book and he cant wait for the next episode to come out. He may not have even looked at it for months. We do also talk about hands from time to time though. Id say we both know each other equally well.


Villain ($1000) opens to $20 UTG+1. A nit ($300) calls OTB. Hero ($740) has AdQd in the SB.
I decided to 3 bet to $80. Villain called and the nit folded.

Flop ($180) Kd7d4c.....We have AdQd....Action on us with $680 effective stacks remaining.

Hero checks the flop and is open to check raising or calling depending on what the villain does. Villain checks back.

Turn ($180) Kd7d4cJs....Our action.

I'm leading $84 just so the dealer can make change
oh wait OP hates that
ok lead $75 3 greens easy enough

You can only bet in $5 increments at 2/5 or higher in my room. Thank God for that!

I'm fine checking again. We picked up some nut outs and we don't rep a lot betting turn here after checking flop.

I don't really know what to do on turn since I'm never in this spot. I have no idea what our range is but I guess checking again and seeing what happens is best as played.

I would think snowman opens folds AQo and thinks we should tighten up at a table full of OMCs like himself instead of running over the table and laugh.

Although that jack is unlikely to have hit villain unless he has checking back JJ or KJs for pot control, it's unlikely we have showdown value at this point. I would barrel turn for like $125 and consider shoving rivers.

A bit late to the party. I like 3-betting pre to something like $105 as many have said. Should we even have a flatting range from SB vs. EP open and LP flat? If so, what's even in it? I think in this spot (nearly) my whole continuing range is a 3-bet.

I think I would lead the flop for around $95 (65%), and check (35%). I think we should be checking a good % of our range here. As will villain, so we're often seeing a turn with no more money in the pot.

I don't agree with this. I think our flop checking range is generally going to be quite strong and should definitely (at least some of the time) include AA, KK, AK, JJ). Leading here should still keep our range weighted towards value because I think we're more likely to have led our total air on the flop. AdQd is literally the nut bluff as well, so I like leading it here.

Same. And we can go for a xr again here, taking out AJdd from our range (since now that has real value on the river and isn't necessary to make a bluff out of) and condense our turn x/r to AQdd and something really strong. Maybe JJ.

Of course if he bets small, we can even just draw at it.

Some of you need to post less and read more. These threads are always **** shows with people blasting their losing nit agendas and the good advice always gets lost in the fray. Shouldn't be a democracy where anyone is free to post whatever garbage they want.

Personally I would rather use those extra outs and bet/call a 3/4 psb here. The one thing I've learned is not to depend on outs to win a hand (of course unless we're getting like 8+:1). We have outs but we're only winning if they come out so I would rather use our FE combined with our equity and bet. I'm not worried at all if he folds (I would consider it a big win). A LAG isn't checking back top pair, and might even bet with a lower pair. He's checking back to evaluate the turn so I would bet big and give him something to evaluate.

c/r is the worst option. We do that with sets, not ace high. I would rather bet out big now than c/r. He will probably call a c/r since FD's are in our light 3betting range which he's aware of.

Very easy 3b pre, regardless of V's info on H. I agree with the lot that we should be generally sizing bigger ($100+).

Question for OP: are you choosing the same sizing for all your SB squeeze range? I worry that there're results oriented responses to your choice of sizing bc of what H is actually holding. If you're sizing the same whether you have AA, or AQs, or K4s, or 76s, then cool. If you have a history of choosing different sizings here, then it's important to A) correct that asap and B) in the moment emulate the sizing you would choose with your nutted hands. The reason I say this is strictly bc V has some kind of extra info on you. If he possibly knows you size way up with your weak squeezes, but stick to right around pot with your strong hands, or vice versa, then you have an opportunity to manipulate him. In general though, we should have a pretty uniform sizing.

On the flop, I think we have two close options. We can either check and call (we sometimes have the best hand and aren't very afraid to play all turns, and our strongest A high flush draws are really good candidates to balance our flop checks, OR we can bet around 1/4 pot with the plan to 3b flop to gii when he raises/plan to bomb an exorbitant number of turn cards for pot or slightly over pot . Check/raising just isn't a reliable option imo. If we have AA or AK, we almost certainly bet flop the first time. If we are 3b hands like KQ or K4 etc. we would just check/call flop. C/R basically screams KK or air. Betting on the larger side just forces V to fold too many mediocre combos that might call smaller flop bets and then fold to a turn barrel. A smaller flop sizing allows us to play more of our range aggressively and define V's range more closely without surrendering a lot of equity.

As played, I think the turn is a check, planning to call. The J doesn't hit us hard enough to consider a check/bet/bet line. FWIW I'd like betting better on the turn if we didn't have the flush draw. We have 12 outs to the nuts and 6 outs to a reasonably strong hand, not to mention we still have showdown value.

Care to elaborate? This is (mainly) the only trash I've read so far. Getting differing views on certain situations means that not every one is going to be perfect or optimal, but should give you an overall depth/breadth of information to allow you to better analyze situations and react in-game.

Has a single one of your 200 posts been constructive or valuable in any way?

snowman has to be a troll

i would normally bet 1/3 pot on the flop. i think folding out like some of his smaller middle pocket pairs is important. even folding out equity of like JTs/T9s is good. and if we get x/r we can continue via 3b or flat.

turn is a bit of a weird spot. we can bet, again to fold out some of his middling pocket pairs which definitely can be in his range. i expect hands without showdown value to stab on the flop if I was villain, which tells me AQ is unlikely to be good here and have no showdown value. im betting turn 1/2 psb. but i like downbetting flop better.

We don't get to play exploitative poker here. We need bluffs in our turn x/r range to balance our very limited value x/r range (since AA should just be bet now).

The sheer fact that MikeStarr checked AdQd on this flop in 3 bet pot shows balance is a big consideration here. So not sure why we'd just go from trying to play solid to trying to play face up.

Moreover, we're likely to be 3 betting linear OOP against his EP open, and unlikely to be xr bluffing AdJd, so that leaves one combo. Meaning that if he's at all smart, any hand in his range weaker than KJ facing a x/r needs to be strongly considered for folding. We're playing a tough 2+2'r here, not some regular live goofball who will have way too many hands in his range and get scared to call off big bets with one pair.

Lets see a graph of your last X amount of hours that is more than 1000 so we know what kind of expert we are dealing with. Or..STFU with that attitude, Sir.