yeah a lot of trash preflop
can raise with draws as noted in reads at the start of the thread

hero calls

pot 595

river Qh

hero????

$150 ott
our hand is vulnerable and he has a lot more 1 pair hands than flushes especially if hes often raising flush draws otf

Pre flop opening is fine, 20-30 depending on the what you typically opening to or whatever will allow you gain value from worse starting hands.

OTF of 2h 4d 9d with a $125 pot first to act I probably bet anywhere from $75-85. Betting into the field here is pretty strong and will definitely identify your hand as an over pair most of the time. The only real draw is a flush draw. When the v on the btn his range is still pretty wide.

OTT - why give up initiative? Pot is 295, why fire a second barrel, he doesn't always have flush here. I'd bet the $150.

OTR - The Q on the river sucks, because the villain can have some Q's in his range. I would probably value own myself here though and bet 1/3 psb - $180-200.

Qh is for sure the type of river we can be calling down here. Just try and get as much info as you can on river.

You want to be looking at him when the card comes out. Did it look like he needed to improved, did he look at his chips immediately? Can we get him talking, ask how much he has left? See if verbalizes or stays still, start talking yourself possibly about doing the opposite of what you're planing to do. I.e. I'd you're thinking his sizing is such that you now want to fold than stack up the call, if you think you're going to call start shuffling your cards and talking about how the flush ALWAYS gets there against your AA. Stuff like that. You want a reaction, or even multiple reactions to study. Keep in mind that he'll probably be a little inconsistent w his reactions in this spot just because he's so polar, so he'll probably have some things that are genuine and then some acting afterward to follow that up.

Anyway, before I got on that, I guess I never said what my river play would be. It would start w a check, and possibly end w a big call.

There's probably going to be the idea of a river c/r brought up just bc he almost never has QQ, TT, or 99 and all the other FH combos include a gapped deuce while our range solidly contains a QQ, TT and 99 and would've played the hand this way, (b, c/c, c/r) I wouldn't actually like that play here just bc I'm not sure this opponent is sophisticate enough to fold flushes, but I could see some arguments for it, especially as his bet:remaining stack ratio approaches 50%, my thought would be that if he bets half his stack on the river there's obviously going to be times we're good and times we're bad, but for twice the amount of the call we can simply jam and get a lot of extra FE while not risking too terribly much more to help ensure that our hand is good a higher % of the time. At any rate, you'll have to use your judgement there.

Overall my plan on river is to continue w our previous plans and check/call on this relatively safe river.

I strongly agree w you saying that a river bet, regardless of whether we checked or bet the turn, is value owning yourself.

A river bet in either case massively over reps Jj here and almost certainly guarantees that we're only called by better. There could very occasionally be a very odd dynamic type issue that would allow us to bet river for value, however unless hero is super agg and vil is a super station that doesn't apply in this spot.

River here should almost always start w a check.

Pre is fine..

Then, Ima take a bet/bet/shove line.

Flop... 3/4 to 5/4 Pot.

Turn... Pot.

River... Get it in.

Super interesting line on the turn. Obv. bet/fold is standard there, but if we think he bets most of his range if checked to check/call is much better.

I think the choices on the river are between:

A) A small value/blocker bet (if our V is not capable of bluff raising us). Maybe $150? Should get value from a lot of pairs, and saves us some money when we are beat.

B) C/mostly call. It will be a little concerning if he bets 1/2PSB+ given the HH in where he made a random stab for 1/3PSB and then gave up on a nice river card to bluff at.



I played a similar hand the other night against a reg. where I c/c with an over pair on the turn when the third flush card came. When I called I knew he knew I had an overpair or better. From playing many sessions together I was pretty sure he would value bet 1/2PSB+ with a flush, and go like ''same bet'' as a value bet/blocker with weaker value hands or as a bluff.

Playing these types of hands without reads is so tough.

Great post.

Normally I say that check with a plan to call most bets is best, letting villain continue his bluffs. This villain seems prone to one shot bluffs and fairly stationary, so a blocking bet is a good option here also. A blocking bet is not folding any better hands but can get called by worse. I like $150 for sizing, enough to make raising awkward but pushing villains with any pair out. I'm 50/50 on which way is best.

Thanks for all the responses
The villain ended up checking back and tabling K9o

The turn was where i really thought this hand get intresting
i thought that check/call was going to he better here as villian is capable of bluffing if shown weakness.
I thought about betting but didnt really want to be folding if he shoved on me but given villian tendency would put me in a tough spot as he is quite capable with some draw+pair going crazy.
The river i was not really sure if i could call of a decebt size bet.
After the hand i mentioned that if villain bet out 300 on river i dont really know if i could call there

this is like the exact opposite of what you should say to him, particularly if its true. you basically have a read now that V likes to float wide vs flop bets then stab turn with a bunch of random low equity bluffs, and then that he will generally not follow through with a bet on the river. this allows you to bluffcatch the turn extremely thinly because you essentially don't face the threat of another bluff on the river - if he bets, you can fold and would have lost at showdown anyways - so your bluffcatchers can realize considerably more equity than they would if he didn't play rivers this poorly. you are essentially telling him exactly how to fix his leak, when you really should continue to encourage him to believe that you would call river (and thus that he should not bluff).

Ok the runout was 2492Q right?

I think it matters if he was on K9, was he?

It's interesting that you have never caught V's double barrel tendency when it is right there the whole time.

No was 9hKs

lol. Whaaat?

Man. What a donkey. wp

Coming late to this party, but...

Turn c/c is 100% right against a villain who likes to float flop and bluff scare cards.

This V has offsuit ax and kx in his range. When that a or k is a diamond, he's absolutely raising you when you bet the turn, and he's absolutely right to do so.

I also agree that river decision is between blocking bet-fold and check/eval. +1 to Kookie's post on this point.

It's right there.

While i have played with the villian for about 1 year it is very hit and miss
Sometimes i play 3 times in 2 weeks then i won't see the guy for 2 months.
I did pick up a physical tell on him later in the night which which is great now just have to work on his betting tells

His betting tell is right there and you probably didn't know what you were looking for.

V probably only does single barrel bluff and he has demonstrated that in your previous HH and this hand.