PAHWM: 1/2 poker room, all really bad Vs most are LP pre and TP post, very friendly table, $200 Max buy

V1 - $51, 30s Haitian I think. He speaks with a friend off the table in a language I can recognize as neither french or english but has words of both. Has repeatedly been felted, like 8 or 10 times. He buys in for $60 and shoves with terrible draws like gut shots, always shows after and declares he is unlucky today. I've seen him play reasonable well on a 2-5 table previously, but he must be tilting today. He's a room reg that everyone knows.

V2 - $200, senior WG is capable of a little trickiness, occasional bluffs, has been stacked off 3 times, tells everyone the money means nothing and that he's here just for the entertainment. His vision is poor and he's repeatedly mistakenly misread black cards to think that a flush is possible. I've asked the dealers to read the board and told him I would read the board for him when I'm not in a hand, but he has dismissed each offer. He's something of a BS artist bc he has told stories about how much money he makes but also told other stories about having jobs that don't match up to high powered jobs and income.

V3 - $170 OMC, nice guy, here for the social aspects, he's had a long chat session with a fellow retired navy vet who is not in this hand.

The whole table is extremely passive and no one but me has ever 3B pre in several hours of play, even with KK and AA. V2 proudly showed his AA after he called my raise pre, called my flop, then blasted the turn, and boasted that he had tricked me. We laughed together and I complimented his play, telling him he got me.

H - $750 LAG, the table knows I'm raising pre any hand I play. But a couple of the observant Vs, like V2, know I'll fold to their aggression.

I'm UTG+1 and open to $15 with KQo. There is a random caller in LP, V1 calls in CO, V1 calls in SB and V2 calls in BB. I guess I didn't raise big enough.

Flop ($60) 9T5r

I check. Would anyone bet out here with the gutter and two overs vs 4 Vs? That board has to have connected with at least one of these Vs.

It checks around to V3 who bets $20. What to do?

This is a clear fold.

Your descripton of the action is messed up. Preflop you have V1 in twice and no V3. I would assume it's V2 in SB and V3 in BB but that somewhat contradicts the flop action. Luckily that doesn't matter much who made the bet.

Preflop is fine, from the sounds of things your at an erratic table.
Flop is a trivial check/fold. This is a flop that likely helped somebody in a 4 way pot and it didn't really help you. V3 made a bet likely to induce action. It doesn't matter if he did this intentionally or not, you don't want to be in that action.

As for hero betting, probably not. Definitely not with V1 and V2 in the hand but even against other groups this is not a good situation with 3 opponents. I would need a particularly weak and passive group before I would consider a c-bet.

I had V#s screwed up in OP when I described order of action. Thank you to QuadJ for correcting. Too Late to edit. Here is the post with the flop action corrected.

curses curses. I screwed up the flop action bc I didn't write that part down in my notes after the hand. Appologies to all for my screw up. Yes, I called and yes, I know it was LOOSE with a gut shot and two overs. I might as well move on, dangit.



Turn ($140) 9xTx5dKd


V2 x, V3 b$25, and the action is now to me. I have the gut shot and TPGK. Clearly if I called before I have to at least call if not raise now, right? $25 into a $165 pot?

thanks for finding my screw up. fixed now.



And yes, this was a particularly weak and passive table. The only player who ever shoved or raised other than me was V1 and he never had enough chips to matter.

Im not sure why you would consider a call if you didn't C bet? It sounds like the most passive table ever so chances of being raised are near zero.

Against an OMC OOP just fold.

Also fold pre. Id rather open 54o fromthe CO than KQo from UTG+1 vs the table described

Clearly the guy has 99, 1010, KK or AA. Milk milk milk. But also he is scared of QJ

Fold preflop

Yes, obviously can't give up. How passive has V3 been? If V3 is very passive and probably has a very good hand to be betting then I would just call. His small bets are just trying to suck some money out of people and his continuing when one of the obvious straights gets there means a really good hand. If he is more aggressive he could be probing or could have straight or draw himself. In that case raising to $100 is in order. Still a small bet but it will give you a good idea who is really serious about this hand. It also sets up a river check behind.

I’m actually much more concerned about someone else who called the $20 (there were 2 of them, right?) having us crushed here. Someone could have K9, or KT, or of course QJ. I think I might fold flop for this reason being way out of relative position.

I've got fairly good position. SB = V1 who has shown no agro this hand. BB = V2 OMC who is betting small. I'm UTG=1. V3 is behind me but he only has $36 so I don't really care about him assuming that this pot gets significantly larger.

Ok I only called V3's $25 turn bet, which might have been a mistake. V1 goes AI for $36. V2, V3, and H call.

Pot ~ $300. 9T5KJ, last 3 cards are diamonds. So it is a semi miracle card for my 2nd nut straight but there is now a flush on the board.

V2 insta shoves for $166. V3 slowly calls. I tank. An AQ nut straight doesn't make sense and a flush doesn't make sense unless it was a weird combo draw. It doesn't fit either of them. What to do?

They dont have enough money to be raised. Not sure what you are asking? If they dont have diamonds or AQ like you said, call. Pot is $650. Even half of it is double the bet

Why can’t anyone have a flush? Txdd/9xdd all make sense.

There are only so many Qx in the deck, and QJ is unlikely given turn action. Actually, I’d say it’s pretty likely V2 or V3 has a flush.

Edit: I am not sure if you can fold given the price but it’s close. best case scenario is you chop the main pot of 300, 3 ways with both players, and you’re probably losing a fair bit (maybe half the time). If those are the odds you should still call, but it’s close.

...can't have a flush unless they have "some sort of weird combo draw got there." V2 who is a bit tricky should have raised with a 2P that turned a FD. V3 is a timid sort, and wouldn't take the same opportunity. V1 is mostly irrelevant bc we are now playing for a significant side pot.



One of my major blind spots, where I've had to learn a lot of expensive lessons, are hands maybe just like this one, where someone runner runner flushed 2P or an OESD. So I'm a bit timid to call here even though all Vs are AI and I'm $166 into a $630+ pot. BTW, there are 3 pots, if I call, top pot between V2 and me will be about $75, middle pot with V2, V3, and me will be roughly $375.

Disgusting situation. I can't see folding for those odds. I don't think it will be super profitable though, there is a good chance somebody called flop with a marginal hand like you did and then backed into a flush.

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I don’t think V2 has 2P (2-pair) nearly ever. He either has Qx/AQ/or Txdd or 9xdd.

The side pots are kinda irrelevant, you cannot win money from them, you can only lose money that you pay into them. there is no conceivable scenario where you are ever chopping 2-ways the middle pot of $375. For you to chop the middle pot 2ways, V2 would have to be bluffing, which I cannot believe.

I’m still calling cause the odds are good but expect to run into a flush at least half the time.

I don't see how v3 has us beat he prolly bet the flop with KT and has 2 pair so he's puke calling so slow but I call it's a hp bet anyway, v2 could have only one or two pair based on his description

Fold the flop, pre raise was fine but when we're so shallow we don't have too much room to do to much except cbet/jam the turn and that's a flop we should expect to get calls from too even before we decide to bet. If we do hit a gutter, the possible straight on the board might kill any further action anyway as well as low implied odds.

Seems highly implausible that V2 is open jamming into the field in a dry side pot with a 1-pair hand. He shouldn’t have anything worse than Qx. If V3 knows how strong V2’s play is, he shouldn’t have worse than Qx, either.

He might of been trying to isolate thinking he can bluff hero out. It's 166 to win 660 and he's described to be tricky and have bluffs on occasion and is there more to gamble and have fun (he's probably not even thinking that he's jamming into a dry side pot he could be trying to fold people out on a bluff card). If it was someone else of course I would snap fold.

First of all, I didn't post this hand to show how smart I am because of a good result. I played the hand bad twice. I should have folded flop and raised turn. I did neither. Aggression on the turn would have won me everything.

OK, the reveal...

I call. V1 gets up to leave. To paraphrase Oprah, "you get a straight, he gets a straight, everyone gets a straight!" V2 = Q8, V3 = QQ, H - KQ. V1 walked away while the three of us chopped his $50. Everyone had played the hand exactly like you would expect them to based on their style of play. It all made sense at the end.

I think you played the hand fine.

Call flop for $20 is fine, you have position on 2/3 opponents and it is a very small bet, you often have 10 outs twice. Your relative position sucks. But the table is described as passive, so you shouldn’t be raised too often. It’s close, but I’d probably call.

Don’t raise turn, your hand isn’t that strong.

Call river (just don’t be surprised to lose a fair bit)