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PAHWM: A5 suited in position, deep PAHWM: A5 suited in position, deep

10-31-2011 , 01:31 AM
I like how you played the hand for the most part.

I would've bet slightly larger with flop raise, and set up more like 350-400 on the turn.

Def checking back the river once it's gotten to that point. Blank river makes a tougher river decision.
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11-02-2011 , 11:59 AM
mike mcD snap folded top 2 on A53 flop.... just saying lol. (but ur opponents weren't eating oreo either)

good post~ interesting hand
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11-18-2011 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gus1112
Grunch

Bet/folds 255

With three in the hand, you have to bet more than 1/2 pot. If you get called by next to act, then the last guy is priced in for his draw. Bet enough so that if you're called by a made hand, the draws still can't follow, i.e., 3/4 to pot.

Nice thread, good discussion with so many perspectives.
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11-25-2011 , 10:07 AM
1800 deep...easy call...i think you can profitable play this for up to 5% of stack...i would never 3 bet here with players behind me...you could get squeezed out and not be able to see the flop.
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12-01-2011 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by flip2win
I think this was a well played hand. But see my river comment.

Pre - I would generally fold/3-bet here, but I think a call is ok 300bb+ deep. We have a hand that can make the nuts as well as a disguised straight. As long as your not putting too much money in with top pair, I think it's fine.

Flop - Raise is good for value. Depending on if UTG can open small PP (not all live players open these UTG), I would have trouble folding to UTG when she 3-bets (though it'll be rare for her to 3-bet). I would fold to a cold 3-bet though since we're facing a set or combo draw 100% of the time.

SB always has either a very good draw or a set after CCing your raise. This is because he knows that your range is super strong there and is a) trapping with mid set b) unsure with bottom set or c) thinks he has IO. But I am more likely to see a combo draw given his reaction and the fact that he is aggressive.

Turn - Always bet/fold imo. Terrible call by villain btw. Easy fold for AQhh. No IO, no expressed odds, obv. behind. Shove is marginal but may work on certain opponents.

River - hmmm I guess against a saavy, tricky player - I wouldn't make a small bet for fear of getting c/r'ed on the river. But I rarely see c/r on the river in live games so I could see you getting value with a small 1/3 pot bet or smaller. But that's your read. I would almost certainly bet really small against the woman.
folding the turn makes folding pre look good
no implied odds with aq h? lol
you have IMMEDIATE odds to call the turn bet, and there is a good chance the sb has a lower flush draw than you and you make a **** load of money when you hit


the turn bet sizing is awful, but not as bad as folding aq h (not that i believe thats what she had)
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12-23-2011 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PIK4CHU
I'm laying this down, Teddy. Top two pair. It's a monster hand, and I'm gonna lay that down... cuz you got two-four, and I'm not gonna draw against a made hand.
LOL Classic!
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12-23-2011 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by danfresh36
I am curious how people would play v1's hand. A q

Although I doubt that is the hand she actually had...But if so, it would be interesting so deep. I'm never folding the turn for that bet size, but are we showing aggression on the flop? 3 bet fold? Probably having to get it all in if 4 bet on the flop. Or are we keeping it the same minus folding the turn. Basically check calling to the river and actually getting showdown.
On flop with AQ
I raise about half pot like she did, and call 3bet
Call turn as well.
Check/fold river after not getting there.
I know its super passive but I am basically letting worst hands bluff and drWing to beat better hands so i dont see a point on being aggressive on flop or turn. And I keep worst draws in like V2 in this case.

Excellent original post, i read the whole thing today, statying away from commenting on the orignal hand as it has been widely and very well covered.
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12-24-2011 , 08:09 PM
i like this thread.

maybe i missed something, why do people doubt villain had ahqh?

he bets pre, bets flop when he hits, gets raised so checks turn, hand doesnt improve, 2 one card straights, so checks river. seems like a pretty standard oop play at a live table
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12-24-2011 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TehPokerNoob
i like this thread.

maybe i missed something, why do people doubt villain had ahqh?

he bets pre, bets flop when he hits, gets raised so checks turn, hand doesnt improve, 2 one card straights, so checks river. seems like a pretty standard oop play at a live table
There are two villains, I think you are confusing them.

V1 had 9 outs to the nut flush on the turn, along with TPGK (which has showdown value if the river is checked down), and was facing a ~1/2 pot call. I'm not folding there with AQ.
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12-25-2011 , 05:28 PM
Any particular reason this thread is stickied?

Not sure if people have changed their minds or anything (seeing as how this thread was created months ago) but I like how everyone is "raise flop obv" lol
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12-26-2011 , 01:02 AM
woah this hand is still up? k i need to get into some gnarly spots in January for everyone's entertainment
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12-26-2011 , 02:58 AM
Interesting PAHWM...808, get on writing that next one.

Playing as V1 (AhQh). I like the 3-bet line on the flop.

Ad5h3h
V1 (AhQh): $40
Hero (Ac5c): $130
V2 (Weirdo): Call
V1: $400

Because:
1) You often win the pot ($370) right there.
2) Hero is put in really weird spot and has to deal with a tonne of pressure. Pressure=mistakes
3) If Hero calls, the tricky guy can easily see the $800 and spazz shove his combo straight-flush draw (4h6h, 6h7h) and then we're way-way ahead.
4) If both Hero and V2 call, pot is now $1300 and you can semi-bluff-shove the turn and represent a huge hand (including AA, which might even fold out 33 or 55)

The above plan works out a lot better if the original bet is more like 60-75 though.

Hmmm...it's kind of late and I'm not sure if my thought process is very clear. I might be thinking way too much about the edges of the ranges instead of total range...
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12-29-2011 , 11:29 AM
I'm jamming the AhQh on the flop every day of the week, thoughts?
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01-01-2012 , 03:32 PM
Everyone seems to want to raise whether they have a hand like A5 as we do, or the AQhh

I personally don't have a raising range in this spot
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01-02-2012 , 08:13 AM
You're not raising 55 or 33 here? I think an ace is calling you, and you don't want another heart to kill the action.
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01-05-2012 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dionysus1
Game $3/5, 500 max buy-in



Preflop:
V1 - opens for $20 in UTG
folds to Hero.
Hero - in Hijack with A5 calls $20
CO calls $20
SB (V2) calls $20,
BB calls $20

Flop ($100):A53

checks to V1, who bets $40.
Hero - ?
You say "teddie you got 2-4 and I'm laying down this (show the A5)

Nah but pump raise that sh*t and get called by a pretty wide range there and we are ahead of about 99% of it
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