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PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ

07-18-2016 , 01:22 PM
I just table transferred to a table that looks to have a little more action than where I previously came from. Hero is a young looking 20's reg that recognizes two guys at the table but this is maybe my third hand so I'm an unknown to the table and they are for the most part to me as well.

Villain is a late 20's white guy in flashy Beats headphones and a hoodie. Probably thinks highly of himself on his pedestal.

OTTH

Effective Stacks: $550

V1 ($550) limps UTG
UTG+1 ($550) limps
Hero ($550) is in the LJ with 76 and decides to ...
HJ is getting ready to muck his cards
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 01:28 PM
raise to 30
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 01:29 PM
Without reads I'd limp and hopefully see a cheap flop. Would call a reasonably sized raise pre, especially if closing the action. Would fold to any raise greater than $25. Without reads or great position I'd rather not create a big pot with 7-high, but think this hand plays too good multiway to fold.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 01:32 PM
No reads, 110 bbs deep, I'd try to keep IO high ... call $5.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 02:13 PM
No particularly bad option. Hand isn't so good that you have to play, isn't so bad that you should fold. You can fold, limp or raise to $25. With 2 EP limps I would favor limping, the EP limps are almost always limp/call and effective is not really deep.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 03:12 PM
Would usually raise, but readless, a limp seems fine too.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 03:24 PM
Raise 25
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 03:35 PM
Limping given stacks sizes and lack of info on villains.

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PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 03:42 PM
Limp or raise is ok, but I generally prefer a raise to $25. Better to be the raiser than an OOP l/c here, imo. If I limp, I expect probably another limp from the CO and a BTN raise to $40 with everyone coming along (if it's anything like my regular 2/5 game, that is). I'd rather set the price now and have a well disguised hand OTF.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 04:39 PM
Raise 30-35 or just fold this shallow. You're too shallow to play a 3b pot if that happens, you'd like to secure position more often, and you'd like to at least be able to take down the blinds at least sometimes.
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07-18-2016 , 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Raise 30-35 or just fold this shallow. You're too shallow to play a 3b pot if that happens
if someone 3bets us I'm snap folding. Shallow, deep, or otherwise.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Playbig2000
if someone 3bets us I'm snap folding. Shallow, deep, or otherwise.
OOP sure, if 3b FTB or by UTG limper deep then you'd be calling, quite happily, barring some insane sizing.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 05:36 PM
Thought pre was worth some chatter but nothing crazy. I always feel there is a juxtaposition with the medium SC's when you are ~100 BB's deep because you are trying to juggle two competing concepts:

1) Seizing initiative allowing you to play post-flop easier by betting flops that hit your "range" as well as flops that hit your actual cards.

2) Keeping the SPR as high as possible allowing for more post-flop maneuverability with what is effectively a speculative drawing hand.

I think 1 edges out 2 considering we can often buy the button and would have to worry about someone raising behind us making the hand more difficult to play.

OTTH

Effective Stacks: $550

V1 ($550) limps UTG
UTG+1 ($550) limps
Hero ($550, LJ) raises 76 to $30
HJ, CO, BTN, SB, BB fold
V1 ($550) calls $30
UTG+1 folds

Flop ($65): A 4 5

V1 checks
Hero ?

Last edited by johnnyBuz; 07-18-2016 at 05:54 PM.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 05:49 PM
Note to self: hit more flops.

Same logic PF could apply here. We could check behind and take the free turn. Or we could bet $45. V, thinking highly of himself, floats a large part of his UTG l/c range on this board. He'll c/r his Ax, being as fancy as he is. Not sure how much of his range here is Ax, though.
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07-18-2016 , 05:59 PM
rep a big ace and bet $30. Keeping it low also means we should have no trouble getting proper odds to call a x/r.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 05:59 PM
I'd bet that flop a lot of aces are in your range and villain could easily give up on a lot of hands that beat us. Also you have enough equity to deal with Villain playing back at you, $45 or 50 seems good.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 06:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suited fours
rep a big ace and bet $30. Keeping it low also means we should have no trouble getting proper odds to call a x/r.
Would you really size it that small with AK though? I would bet $45 or $50 with AK so I'd be inclined to size it the same as a semi-bluff here.

We don't know V's CR sizing tendencies or range, either. Maybe he's horrible at sizing and always min CR's. Maybe his CR range is sets only. I see merit to your argument, but I think we'd just be happy to take the pot here so I'd lean towards a larger flop bet.
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07-18-2016 , 06:27 PM
Great result on the raise pre, getting it head's up with position.

On flop, I c-bet to $40. Ideal spot to c-bet. We're head's up, board is ace-high, rainbow with two low cards, and we have no showdown value but tons of equity. I worry about getting check raised if it happens, but if it does it's just a math question at that point because our draw is pretty hidden so should be able to gii if we hit.
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07-18-2016 , 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIB211
Great result on the raise pre, getting it head's up with position.



On flop, I c-bet to $40. Ideal spot to c-bet. We're head's up, board is ace-high, rainbow with two low cards, and we have no showdown value but tons of equity. I worry about getting check raised if it happens, but if it does it's just a math question at that point because our draw is pretty hidden so should be able to gii if we hit.

All of this IMO.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 06:37 PM
Agreed with all above, seems like a standard c-bet. I think $40-$45 is appropriate. I'm not too worried about a check raise here.
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07-18-2016 , 06:44 PM
I'd def raise pre on a new table to establish an aggro image and a decent chance of taking a flop in position.

Auto cbet flop $40 with most of your range.

Next card plz.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 06:49 PM
100
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 07:01 PM
I think almost always cbet here. Size should be as small as possible to get his whiffs to fold while not inducing a bluff RR. We're basically not getting TP+ to fold for one bet. PP between 5 and A are also likely to call one bet unless the bet is a big one.

Flop is fairly dry, so I'd normally bet an ace on the lower side also.

Keeping the bet small also keeps any x/r on the smaller side, keeping implied odds higher. Since we're probably calling any x/r, that's good.

I think 35 is perfect. 40 would also be fine. I think 45 is unnecessarily large.
PAHWM: 2/5 NL - 76s from the LJ Quote
07-18-2016 , 07:06 PM
40-45 based on all the reasons given. calling a reasonable raise if v is so inclined.
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07-18-2016 , 08:18 PM
It's interesting in that you would probably ck back your range here a decent amount against good players you know for a handful of reasons.

Here, you don't know what kind of player this guy is, and I wouldn't let an UTG limp define him just yet. This part of your range benefits obv from a cbet by immediately folding out bways w high card equity, but it needn't be a large size with AA/AK still squarely in yor perceived range from the POV of a "guy with headphones". It won't take much to get those hands to fold, and you also benefit from staying as deep as possible for more options later in the hand.

Betting anything more than 30 is a pretty big mistake. He should only have a calling range made up of some pp floats, some limped Axs, an array of SDs, and a few monsters. Hands like A3, A8, 88, 33, 22, A4, 45, A5 should all be calling which is obviously very good news. if he does ck-r, then he sucks, and your smaller cbet sizing will at least give you the option to call after doing some math.
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