Might be selfish of me but I think I've got all I needed out of this thread. Results: Hero lead the river for $500 and villain tanked forever and then called with AQ.

($2,060) 10JQQ7

See ya next month Johnny.

That's a troll post right? Lol.

Bye bye Johnny.


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Lol. Ya.

The real results are pretty anti-climatic. I check river planning to call a reasonable bet and fold to a shove. Villain checks back. Villain asks me to open and I say "I called you". Villain tables AK and MHIG.

A couple of my friends told me I was a pussy for not betting the river and a couple of my friends said they would have played it the same. So the poll was split and I needed more advice.

Obviously after seeing his hand I kicked myself for a minute for not betting. I think folding flop is probably the best decision in these spots, against these player types, as it gets tough even on turns that pair the board and we face more heat on later streets. It would be so gross to be against a sicko in this spot that could turn AK, KK, KQ or AQ into a bluff and shove the river.

Anyways...

StimAbuser owned this thread and was %100 on point with every post, read, analysis and decision. Respect!

Op what's the deal with trying to steer everyone towards v having a tighter range than he actually does? You clearly dropped AQ from his flop range.

Seems a bit of a level.


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Edit: touche' op sick troll.

I wasn't trying to steer anyone in any way and there was no level. I included AQ in his preflop calling range but discounted it from his flop raising range in this hand. I said all along that he had a tight range.

I just posted the best I could with the information I had.

haha great troll - as for actual results; yeah that is just why I think we have to lead river here. Villain has no bluffs in his range that we lose by leading, and his most likely holding combo wise is AK by a wide margin which he is going to check back here a lot.

Either way very interested hand OP, lots of good discussion in this thread

Ya for sure. I'm calling a bet so I might as well make a bet and not risk him checking back with AK and the odd KQ/AQ.

Think lot of people ITT have a very bad understanding of tight straight forward ABC regs ranges. The entire reason that style isn't optimal is because other good players can put you on very narrow ranges and make sick folds like in this spot. That's how to exploit ABC players, put them on narrow ranges and exploit it whether it's through big folds or through pressure on scary run outs etc.

Also these players tend to play even tighter against good aggro regs when deep. Honestly they don't even want to be in pots with other regs, they're there to play straight forward and get value from fish. So they don't get out of line with good regs unless they got monsters.

Also need to think more about future streets.

Checking is reasonable. You think he has AK but not 100% sure s/he would play it that way. Betting is perhaps better. You are first to act though so you should be opening your hand first.

TAG done properly can be a winning strategy against other good players.

Not sure what the rules are in your poker room Redskins, but in most rooms if river goes check/check then the OOP player tables their hand first at showdown regardless of who the aggressor had been on previous streets. So there's a good chance you were in fact supposed to show your hand first on that river.

Whoever made the last bet opens their hand first in this room.

One of the rooms I play at has that rule. I very much dislike it. It should only apply otr, IMO, if a bet was made otr.

TAG is not the same as ABC straight forward poker.

Well unfortunately I missed the turn discussion, but I wouldve pretty much seen these possible options when the turn hit:

checking is automatic on the turn, if he checks back, you are making a smallish value bet on a pretty obvious AK (and smaller chance of AQ/KQ)

if he bets your options are:

1) he puts you on something weaker than a FH here and is value betting with AK (maybe KQ/AQ). In this case you should be betting out the river for value, because there is no way AK folds to a single street of aggression after sinking this much money in.

2) he puts you on 2p or a set on the flop. In this case, you need to fold because you can probbaly narrow his range to QJ/JJ.

This deepstacked, if i had AK, the Q wouldve scared me and i likely wouldnt have bet the turn, so I probably wouldve folded to the turn bet. Even if he shows up with AK sometimes here, its not really like you left much value in the table against his range.

If you do check river, you gotta fold to a bet, cuz I cant imagine AK is betting anither street of value.