Playing in a super deep $1/2 game. I have $1,200 and the primary villain; villain “A” in this hand covers me by $100. There is a secondary villain “B” who is a small $250 stack. This game has been running for 24 hours and I joined it at 10am most players have been there all night.

Villain A and I have some history, he knows I can lay down a hand. He is very aggressive, likes to put pressure on people and often works up a big stack. At this point he has been playing for 15-20 hours and is looking slightly fatigued.

Villain B is a short stack donk who has only been at the table for 45 minutes and has doubled up twice. I’ve only played with him once before and during that session he burned through several $100 buy-ins.

Preflop:
Villain B (UTG+1): Raise to $15
Villain A (MP): Raise to $50
Hero (Button): KK Raise to $200

Villain B: Calls, leaving only $50 behind.
Villain A: Calls

Pot: $603 before rake

Flop: Q 9 7

Villain B: All-in for $50
Villain A: Calls $50
Hero: Raises to $250

Villain A: Raises All-in for my remaining $750

Hero: Calls.

SPR says I have committed myself by raising both streets. I feel like I played this hand badly and put myself in tough situation to have call off $750 with a naked over-pair.

It just seems that Villain A is going to have AA or QQ so often when he flats my 4-bet preflop in a low-limit game were players do not polarize their 3-bet / 4-bet calling range.

Thoughts on better lines?

Is there an equity question here that is more advanced then my current understanding?

What to do now is tough as villain: Has a history with you, is very aggressive, knows you can lay down a hand, and is fatigued. Also you have a great hand.


Think ahead more. When you get dealt KK this deep, mentally decide how deep you want to go with this hand as Top pair. It appears(very common) that you thought "great hand, let's get $ in the pot" and then when you get reraised think "why did I do this?". Practice pot control.
Some example lines for smaller pot:
Call preflop raise or reraise smaller than $200 (maybe min raise here?)
Just call on flop.
IMO you're beat here based on betting and villain description

I know the pro's on bluefire say to flat here pre-flop(at least some of the time with KK) because the only way you get villain A to put more money in the pot if you re-re-raise and he calls is if he hits the flop.

What do you do if villian puts in another bet pre, I guess you have to fold super deep.

For what its worth I would have done the same thing as you and then banged my head against the wall a few times

When you only bet 250$ you give him room to come over top so maybe he is a sicko and thinks you will fold but I really doubt it. If he shows 10 , j suited remind me not to play him!

Your pre-flop bet is so strong (unless your image is really laggy) that I can't see how you are ahead when he shoves over your bet, which is big in relation to the original flop bet, but small in relation to the pot size. Unless they have exactly the same hand as you, which would explain the call pre-flop, villain has to have AA or QQ maybe 99 when he shoves, specially with no draws out there. I think this is also fine as played though because the SPR for the villain is so big. He might sometimes show up with AQ here, but you have to go with a read here. Was it more like a strong all-in, like aha I got you, or more like a thoughtful, if I call here I don't have fold equity on the turn, so I might as well shove here?

I could not agree more. I thinking shoving is better then making that small bet. Especially since my preflop 4-bet sizing was meant for me to get it all-in preflop with the short stack.

@Omaha8A2

This played a big part in my decision to call. It was an over-the-top snap shove, which was out of character for him and led me to believe he was simply responding to the amount of time it took me to raise the flop and once again applying pressure to a bet that in hindsight looked weak and/or badly planned.

This is a classic case of not having a plan before entering a hand. Having a plan becomes more critical as you get deeper. In this case, you're 600BB deep, so conventional 100BB thinking has to go by the wayside.

The first decision to make is whether you want to continue to play deep or play shallow. If you flatted the 3bet, the villain is going to have a tough time putting you on KK. The downside is that the SPR is going to be awkward. By raising, you make the decision making easy. The SPR will be under 4 at least if called. The bad news is that your range is extremely narrow (AA, KK, maybe AK if he thinks you can push it). If there isn't an ace on the board, you're committed.

You decide to make it a shallow game. Therefore, the next question is how to handle the shorty's shove and the call. Your raise on the flop says you have QQ+. If the villain can't beat it, he can fold. At the same time, you remain committed to stacking off no matter what. Not a great situation. I'd call behind. This is a classic WA/WB situation. The villain has two outs, keep him in. Remember, just because you know you're committed, it doesn't mean the villain knows that he should be.

**** this is why i dont play 600bb deep.

I think this is a good spot to practice pot control and flat pre.

This is also a spot where once I got this deep I would have went for dinner and came back with just the max BI.

lol, although you can argue that its essentially only 250BBish deep since open raise was $15 and 3bet was $50 (which means it may be 1/2 but its playing like 2/5)

also, this got me thinking.... I don't think I have yet 4bet then folded live... Lol.

I wont spoil it just yet but I did leave quickly after this hand.

Thanks for all the great feedback on playing deep. This is a rare situation for me but there were a couple guys even deeper then I was who were drunk and tired so I was about to leave such a good game. I was being greedy and I can admit it.

you just did... obv you lost

Just call flop. QQ and AA beat you, JJ, TT is folding to your raise (doubt it even calls pre), if villain looks like he wants to get his stack in ott or otr it means you want to get out asap, he isn't bluffing a dry side.

Your hand looks like QQ, KK, AA so you are at the bottom of the range he must put you on. If hes willing to get it in vs that range he must have atleast AA here.

In thinking it over since you don't know you are even good against player A maybe you can find a fold since villain B is less likely to bluff(with air) knowing player B is still in the hand.
Villain A needs to have qq or aa less then like 70% to make this call, not sure he does. I would have called in the moment no doubt. Tough spot you got yourself into

I completely agree that I should have pot controlled pre by flatting. Again, I've never played this deep and I felt inexperienced in the moment, which is a bad feeling.

Thanks again for your all your thoughts but as I said in the OP I setup the SPR in a way that left me committed, so I called. I was very surprised by the results and by the way the hand played out.

Results:

Villain B (the short stack):


Villain A (the deep stacked LAG):


The board ran out:

Haha congrats nice results, surprising indeed.

WTF? WHERE IS THIS GAME, AND HOW CAN I PLAY IN IT?

If you are ever in NYC PM me, I will get you in................for a price.

OMG. This takes fishiness to a whole new level.