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Originally Posted by Mat the Gambler
From the times when I've seen these hands showed down, they are usually medium-strength hands like 99-JJ, AK, AQs, that they would prefer not to have a lot of callers with.
What's the best way to respond? The obvious one is to hardly ever limp, but we should hardly ever limp regardless. I've thought about incorporating limping pre-flop from early position with monsters with the intention of limp-3betting. But this seems risky because what if no one bets and now we're in a 6-way limped pot with AA or KK.
I raise much wider with the range you just gave (from late position; in the blinds I tighten up quite a bit with raises). If that's the adjustment you make against me then it wouldn't discourage me at all.
First of all, I usually won't raise and will be folding my garbage hands, so you'll just play in a lot more multiway pots with big hands that should have been raised PF.
Second, the adjustment to wait for a monster and then stick in a big raise is one that a lot of scared, nitty players make when they don't know how to handle an aggressive player. I'll just fold because I know you have a monster and then I'll go on to the next hand. The next time I raise again, chances will be very low that you limped in with another monster.
The hands you mentioned that these players are raising with are only 2.8% of all total hands. I'm sure you meant that these players raise more often than with just the hands you mentioned, but even if they raise something like 5% of hands that's really not aggressive when you're including late position hands.
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I've thought about limp-3betting as a bluff, but this also seems risky because they will rarely fold to a 3bet, and now I'm OOP against someone with a better hand. Unless I 3bet-bluff something stupid like 2x-3x pot. But this seems like a lot to risk to win a small pot pre-flop.
This might work against me if I was the one raising because I'd likely put you on a big hand and fold (I do raise in late position with monsters too though, but usually won't have one) , but the villains you're talking about don't even seem aggressive enough for me to want to try something like this.
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So I don't know what to do in these spots. One of the principles of poker I live by is "figure out what your opponent wants you to do and disappoint him." These huge pre-flop raises just scream "I don't want anyone to call me because I don't want to play this hand post-flop!" which makes me want to call and see a flop. And yet calling OOP is usually a huge leak.
I really want everyone to fold too (unless I have a really big hand), but it's not because I want to avoid playing the hand postflop. It's just great to pick up free money when you raise with something like J9s or A5s and it usually won't hit much of anything. I've raised and picked up dead money from villains who folded and showed me hands that had me dominated. If one or two people call, then fine. That's more money for me to steal when they play fit or fold after the flop.
Edit: The villains you're describing could be totally different from me though. If they are the type to raise JJ big because they are scared to play postflop with it, then I'd probably just fold to them in games like this.