disqualifying the jackpot is a terrific way to enforce all sorts of rules.

"No playing out of racks because it slows the game down."
Player: "Nah I'll be fast shut up dealer"

"No playing out of racks because it disqualifies the jackpot"
8 players: "Get that ****ing rack off the table!"

Never heard that one before.

It happens so rarely (i.e. folded to us in the SB AND we have a BBJ hand AND BB has a BBJ hand) that it is easily worth the piece of mind, IMO.

I had been playing a lot of 20/40 lately where there is no jackpot, and then I was playing 2/3, and asked to chop before looking at my hand, and SB agreed, he showed QQ, I showed AK, and said that is why no one played, we had all the good cards.

The table thinks we are crazy, and the dealer starts to place the flop. I say, don't do that. Luckily no ace in sight, and we aren't outcasted from the table.

In the 1 in a thousand chance it happens, why the *** would you want to know if it was coming. I would rather never know. Next time I'll just muck face down when I chop.

playing out of racks must be another cali thing.... its verboten everywhere ive played.
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Is poker about the gamble? Or is it about wins and losses?

I hear a lot of discussion all over 2+2 about the gamble. Or poker is all one long session. Is this true for you guys at LLSNL? If so, I think people play poker for all the wrong reasons.

I just love to win

People play poker for many different reasons.

I don't Think you can say someone plays for the wrong reasons. Everyone has their reason and that's right in itself IMO.

Also we play poker....essentially that's gambling. Everytime we take a shot at a.bigger game that's too high for our roll because its so juicy is a gamble.

We gamble...the best poker Players are the best.gamblers IMO.

I guess I mean people won't last long in poker. If they don't play for the right reasons.

I plan on playing for the next 20 years. Maybe even longer I'm just speaking in general.

You don't even have to win to "last" in poker.

Hey, it's lower than when the game was 1/2 and we paid a mere 75% rake on the flop.

This.

I remember when the Fort was spreading 1/2-150 SL game and had their promotions running, which meant $2 for the promotion fund before the flop. Pretty sad to look around the table and see no chips in front of the SB and $1 in front of the BB...

on phone, but will have the cotm up by around the 5th. Completely changed my line with the piece. Sorry for delay.

Thanks for the update ash.

haha... i remember that game it was good for like 6 months, then it turned into a total reg-fest. and yeah, the blind structure contributed to that.

Of course, chopping was pointless (the SB got no money back).

ya, when i first played NL, at San Pablo (now closed) ,they played w/$1 chips in racks.
when you bet $100, you put a rack in.
on a good night, you wouldnt be able to see over your racks.
really dumb.
but thats what was so great about it.
when i look back on it, i was really lucky to run into poker there, because
it was so unbelievabley soft.
I had ripped my MCL surfing the lefts in Point Arena, and the waves were so good, i refused to go in. when i finally paddled in, i had to crawl to my truck. A buddy took me to SP to play poker, because i could'nt do anything else. I was a gimp.

If you just have common sense, you can take $ from degens, you don't really need to be 'good' at poker. they were shoving w/ 6T, so how hard could it be?
Also, now i realize that i just ran good then, too.
It was like the first few years, if it was a cooler, i had AA, and they had KK every time.
I just thought that that's the way it was.
LOL

Nah, when it became a reg'fest is when it got really really good. I used to say it was the best SL game in AZ. The only problem was getting and keeping the game going.

E.g. Table doesn't have a face I haven't played with before... UTG limps and the chain reaction starts... Hero is OTB with KK and raises to $30, and wow! we have a family pot, 9 to the flop... AK3r, checks the raiser, I bet max $150, we go to the turn with 5 people AK3, 3, checks to me and I max again, 2 call AI for less and 1 calls, 4 to the river AK33, 7, check I bet AI for ~$100, snap call...

V1 = A2
V2 = AJ
V3 = AT

All 3 that seen the river said afterwards some version of... "I figured we were all chopping..."

when i was a total noob, instead of just an intermediate noob,
i didn't know about ranges,
but i knew that when a degen wanders over from the pai gao table, and shoves his buyin the first hand, that you snap call w/ 77 in the BB.
I knew he was a favorite to have just one overcard somehow.


there was a time when everyone one of us did'nt even know what an Ace was,
can you remember some of the donkish thinking/plays you were responsible for as a noob??

It's not hard for me,
I just have to remember yesterday.

I lose most of the poker hands I play. I even lose a majority of the hands that I put money in the pot.

I don't play poker to win. I play poker to make money (which I do).

Yeah I have that mentality that I want to be the best. Not the cocky player. But the player where he never says how good he is. Just let's his game do the talking.

Yeah Venice10 your right. You can't win everyhand. It always take action to get action. I look at pots as jabs and slugs. As long as I'm taking jabs and slugging my opponents then I'm fine with that.

ya, +1
you never have to win a hand of poker, or,
you're never entitled to win because you're 'good', whatever that means,

it's a sick game,
just think, you could have a royal flush, and still lose!
it doesn't say anything about you, if you lose a hand, a session, a week, or even a month.
after a year or two, well...

Even though ive said many times over that live games vs online full ring are super different, its because hand ranges and tendencies are so different.

having said that, its still a 9 or 10 handed NL game and anyone who really wants to honestly see how well they really stack up when it comes to whether a persons entire gameplan is viable or not, they should honestly sit down at 100nl full ring online and check out their own play. The main reason for this is that playing online allows the same raise/cbet/barrel/bluff opportunites as live except at a lightning speed of pace. Thus, you quickly see how your thought process and lines really do overall because of the churning of so many trials of the same thing. (and it is tracked and retrievable with software)

Players can play live for literally years and not have a clue where they leak money because there is no tracking of it, and the human mind cannot crunch the numbers so that any reasonable idea can come of it. Live players have the end of day results and thats it. So many of the ideas that are spoke of in the live forum here would be quickly seen to be ineffective and negative EV when put to the test of large numbers/trials, and can be readily retrieved by software such as HoldemManager or Pokertracker. Personally i think anyone only playing live and never expanding their minds to this type of tracking is missing out greatly.

This is heresy, sir.

So live players don't play online either? Don't matter what game I sit down in. The plan will be solid. Poker been around for over a 100 years. Its the same game its always been. Its a copycat game, no way a 100nl online player is "so called" better then me. .50 cent dollar game like Ochocinco says "child please".

Online players are overrated. Anybody can be good online. You have stats on everyone. They have programs to see folded hands. Like it was so easy to me. I played 24/21 online and it was fun. Everyone plays mass tables and nity play. I was raising 3x BB, 2.5xbb and people folded.

Live its not going down like that. Ask any successful online player he will say live is harder then online. Why because people not going to casino's to fold.

hmmm. at what stage of a live player's development would you say complementing your felt time with online play is most useful? or just throughout it.