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03-07-2012 , 05:36 PM
2,3,8,9 and of course... the hot seat!
03-07-2012 , 05:40 PM
I like the 3 for sentimental reasons, plus it's a good angle. The corresponding seat on the other side is fine. Whether it be the 7 or 8 depends on whether you're 9 or 10 handed.

On a related note, I try to only play J3 against people who know who I am, or if it seems like a good spot for it in position
03-07-2012 , 05:41 PM
To the right of the four tightest players at the table
03-07-2012 , 05:50 PM
Obviously you didn't read.

I like 3/7 because of the angle, easy to see the players.
03-07-2012 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
To the right of the four tightest players at the table
That might be a leak of yours. I know you say it because you can venture out away from the button.

But I like loose passive's in my blinds when I'm otb and I like loose passives/Lag's to my right.

And I want the tight player's/good when I'm utg. I try to have a good matchups from all positions.
03-07-2012 , 06:06 PM
Seat 1 because I am #1.
03-07-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
That might be a leak of yours. I know you say it because you can venture out away from the button.

But I like loose passive's in my blinds when I'm otb and I like loose passives/Lag's to my right.

And I want the tight player's/good when I'm utg. I try to have a good matchups from all positions.
This makes no sense. You want tight players in the blinds when you are OTB so they just fold. You want tight players to your left because that (by definition) means the looser players are to your right. You want tight players to your left because it gives you good matchups from all positions.
03-07-2012 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
This makes no sense. You want tight players in the blinds when you are OTB so they just fold. You want tight players to your left because that (by definition) means the looser players are to your right. You want tight players to your left because it gives you good matchups from all positions.
Why would we want players who play perfect in the blinds?

I used to think I won't the tightest players to my left and in the blinds. But I realized in the last year. That their is no pot preflop, so having nitty players in the blind is no positive. The rake allows them to play perfect.

Now get some lp in the blinds you can min-raise them or 3x them and they always call and never adjust. Always lead with their garbage hands. You can either outplay their range or raise them off of it otf.

You don't get those positives with tight players in the blinds.

I know we will disagree but maybe one day you will realize it. I only brought it up because its flaws in that thinking in low stakes. Higher limits your absolutely correct, in a tournament your correct. Just take it FWIW not an absolute.
03-07-2012 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Without regards to the players, what's your favorite seats at the poker table?

My favorite seats are 3/7.
I agree.

And makes it really easy to order food and eat.

I don't like 1/5/9. 1/9 because it's hard to see, and 5 because I don't like being crammed in the middle. 5 seat also requires more effort to protect your hand. Lots of players expose their cards one way or the other in seat 5. I don't go out of my way to look but sometimes they just don't protect their hand and it's their own fault.

Few nights ago I raised two limpers with KK, and when the flop came 6-5-4 I instantly c/f because guy in seat 5 exposed 87s lol.
03-07-2012 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Why would we want players who play perfect in the blinds?
Umm cause stealing blinds is free money? But the best reason to have nits on your left is that they will rarely be involved in pots so you can buy position more often. You raise in MP and CO and button both fold, and now you play in position vs everyone else.
03-07-2012 , 06:57 PM
This is pretty lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7TzPEYci_w
03-07-2012 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Why would we want players who play perfect in the blinds?

I used to think I won't the tightest players to my left and in the blinds. But I realized in the last year. That their is no pot preflop, so having nitty players in the blind is no positive. The rake allows them to play perfect.

Now get some lp in the blinds you can min-raise them or 3x them and they always call and never adjust. Always lead with their garbage hands. You can either outplay their range or raise them off of it otf.

You don't get those positives with tight players in the blinds.

I know we will disagree but maybe one day you will realize it. I only brought it up because its flaws in that thinking in low stakes. Higher limits your absolutely correct, in a tournament your correct. Just take it FWIW not an absolute.
dude I will never "realize it" because you are just flat out wrong

also it folds to the button so rarely in low stakes the question is moot
03-07-2012 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
I fail to see how this is a reason to not raise KQs UTG

I mean folding KQs isn't that bad, I just don't do it

by "not that bad" I mean it is probably about EV neutral
KQs should be a profitable hand for a winning player. Online, it is about as profitable as TT.
03-07-2012 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Umm cause stealing blinds is free money? But the best reason to have nits on your left is that they will rarely be involved in pots so you can buy position more often. You raise in MP and CO and button both fold, and now you play in position vs everyone else.
exactly, claiming that having some LP in the blinds is somehow so good for you that it overcomes the positional disadvantage you get from MP is just utterly ridiculous
03-07-2012 , 07:04 PM
I want loose players in the blinds anytime I'm bu/co/hj.

Where I play guys are calling 76o,63s,A10o,KQo,J7s etc..... I want those players in my blinds all day.

If you want guys calling AJs+, and pairs in the blinds. Then continue to sit to the right of tight players.
03-07-2012 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
KQs should be a profitable hand for a winning player. Online, it is about as profitable as TT.
The discussion was about like some crazy wild table where people are deep (hand elcerebo posted) and my opinion is that if you aren't willing to raise KQs (which I do) it is better to open fold it than to limp it
03-07-2012 , 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokahBlows
I want loose players in the blinds anytime I'm bu/co/hj.

Where I play guys are calling 76o,63s,A10o,KQo,J7s etc..... I want those players in my blinds all day.

If you want guys calling AJs+, and pairs in the blinds. Then continue to sit to the right of tight players.
These loose players are very very sticky and do not make good opponents.

Yes, I rather have nits that would only call with AJ+.
03-07-2012 , 07:09 PM
Interesting discussion on what type of players we prefer on our left. Sabr's point about 2 nits giving us 3 buttons is excellent. I also agree with pokah that LPs in the blinds are probably more, but differently profitable to have in the blinds.
03-07-2012 , 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokahBlows
I want loose players in the blinds anytime I'm bu/co/hj.

Where I play guys are calling 76o,63s,A10o,KQo,J7s etc..... I want those players in my blinds all day.

If you want guys calling AJs+, and pairs in the blinds. Then continue to sit to the right of tight players.
Great, now when you raise UTG those are the guys calling behind and making it 5-way to the flop. And always calling your MP opens and making you play OOP.
03-07-2012 , 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
The discussion was about like some crazy wild table where people are deep (hand elcerebo posted) and my opinion is that if you aren't willing to raise KQs (which I do) it is better to open fold it than to limp it
Agree with this.
03-07-2012 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Great, now when you raise UTG those are the guys calling behind and making it 5-way to the flop. And always calling your MP opens and making you play OOP.
I don't mind overcoming being oop vs weak opponents. Cards/skillset>weak opponents in position.

My utg range is tight, 99+,AQ,AK,KQs, after I get solid reads, A10+,KJs+,QJs,77+.

Its just two different styles. If I'm 3betting a lot like 5/10+ strategies, then I want tight players in the blinds and not loose passive's. Its just some low stakes theory I came up with. Nevermind my strategy,lol. I play weak tables and players.
03-07-2012 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
The discussion was about like some crazy wild table where people are deep (hand elcerebo posted) and my opinion is that if you aren't willing to raise KQs (which I do) it is better to open fold it than to limp it
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Agree with this.
I don't necessarily from an analytic point of view, as I posted in the thread. Not that I think there's a sizable difference. For me EV wise in that spot I'd expect raising = limping > folding, but so much varies from player to player and their individual skill set and image.
03-07-2012 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Agree with this.
The table was not wild @mpethy. It was a loose passive table pre and loose aggressive post. Which is like any loosepassive table full of gamblers. The guy is from russia he doesn't know that lp pre and lag post. Is basic lp table.

Also,"If I have a King and a Queen I love my hand vs any lp table".
03-07-2012 , 07:22 PM
This is going to sound crazy but the mere act of forcing people to call as an equity dog makes you money.
03-07-2012 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
This is going to sound crazy but the mere act of forcing people to call as an equity dog makes you money.
It only sounds crazy when your entire roll is on the table.

      
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