and since some of the replies there didnt know where Jman was going exactly, it was meant to convey that the natural human tendency to "hope" for things to go the way we want does nothing but cloud our minds somewhat so that we dont really tackle the hand as it really comes down optimally.

IOW, no way will a player play a hand perfectly every time when he is thinking "son of a xxxxx" why did that Ace have to fall!, and have his mind internally steaming a bit due to it.

And if you've never read Jman's well, it is a must read. And read it through. There's some stuff on the later pages that had a huge impact on my thinking.

Playing at a private club tonight. Been meaning to check it out for awhile, was in the area, so I said, "wtf?" lol... This may be my last post

No worries. They want you to come back and bring more money.

It was actually pretty well run, they treated the patrons excellently and the rake was reasonable (and oh yeah, the play was pretty soft.) Coupled with the fact that the place is 10min from my house and they play $2/$5 $1000max 3-4 times per week I will be patronizing it quite a bit in the future.

Not sure if this is the correct thread, but what would be the typical session win rate (i.e. percentage of sessions won vs lost) of a typical winning player at 1/3 NL live?

I've put in lottsa hours at various small stakes limit games, a winner in all of them, and yet my records show that my session win rate is just barely above 50% (probably in the neighbourhood of 53% - 55%). Is that what I should expect in the long run at small stakes NL (assuming I'm a winning player) or is it typically a lot larger?

about standard depending on session length and style... Il calculate mine when i get home... Expecting around 55%

Typical session length for me is 5 to 6 hours. Currently rocking the weak/passive/tight/nutpeddling style.

probably a bit higher then average at a guess...


Stoplosses and stop wins would probably be the biggest influences at a guess...

I have neither; I only get out once a week so I play until my curfew.

Ghappilymarriedfor3monthsnow,sustainable?G

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why would you implement a stop win? i play better when i'm up, and if at all correlated, it means the table is soft above average

I could actually see how implementing a stop win might be beneficial if there are other huge deepstacks on the table and we're uncomfortable playing with huge deepstacks (especially making like a huge single mistake on one hand that would cost us like 4+ buyins).

FWIW, I use neither a stoploss nor a stop-win, but IMO they would be the most contributing factor to your win rate in terms of % of winning sessions...


Anyway, going by my NL records I have 88 winning sessions and 78 losing sessions, for an average of around 53%. FWIW I had a higher winning rate earlier in my "career" when I was making as high a % of my income from poker. Before, I wouldnt have a stoploss, but I would leave more often happy after 4 hours and +300 more often then compared to now, especially since I believe I have a bigger edge deep now then before.

Also, my spreadsheet didnt have a function for win % in this way, and because Im a n00b with excel I counted it on pen and paper... Confirmed balla...

My limit records I havent counted, but I guess would be kinda similar. However, I have lots of short sessions where I played less then an hour or so and would drop maybe 4 big bets, so it skews results a bit...

TBH, the session winrate is dependent on a number of factors, including playing style, length of sessions, and stop win/stop loss limits. As Mike Caro pointed out, focusing on your session win rate is -EV. The reason is that you start "booking" a win early when it is likely the table is great and play too long trying to get back to even when it is likely a table is bad. David Sklansky also famously stated that it is all one session.

If you are changing your game in any way because you don't like your session winrate, you are most likely making a mistake.

Nope, nothing like that, and I do realize it is all just one really long session. I'm more just curious as to how outrageously good I'm running right now out of the starting gate at 1/3 NL (15 sessions = 10 wins + 5 losses = $32/hr over very lol sample size of ~90ish hours). I've put in enough hours at limit to be fairly confident my session winrate is just over 50%, and I was just wondering if that's where I should eventually expect to end up at NL as well.

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Between tournaments and cash:

90 wins: 59.6%

60 lose: 39.7%

1 break even: .7%


Cash only

79 wins: 63.7%

44 lose: 35.5%

1 break even: .8%

530 hours logged

Don't you have something to post?

Yes... Havent proofed it yet and have been busy at work and running poker tables and chips around town. I guess im the go to guy when it comes to that.


Is it just me or is the worst music in the world being played today??

Also. HOW BOUT DEM SF GIANTS!!!!!! AMIRITE?!?!?!??!

I like you people, so I'd invite you to answer my question:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...estion-911699/

Was it wrong for me to get a semi when raised on the river holding a two card straight flush on a paired board????

My night was interesting... 2/3 as per usual.

Table pumping again. First table I played on was pretty funny. One guy to my right was limp/raising with a wide range of hands. For example, two limps, guy limps, I make it 20 with QQ. 3 callers, guy limp raises to 70 with AJo, I ship for 150 effective and win. Then again when I have TT vs AQ. The dead money from the threeish callers was a nice bonus...

I table change the table can best be described as completely off the chain. Two asians to my left are incinerating money, or at least at this point of time. I run my stack up to around 1100 playing pretty tight, flopping some nice hands and getting aces in preflop vs 95... Board runs out J97-9-A ldo...

Then beat number one...

I get sucked out on by a flush draw. Very next hand I have 99 and make it 15 UTG. Flop Q94r with a diamond. Checked to me about 6 ways and I bet 55. Someone raises all in for about 75. Im somewhat happy with this. Then crazy asian in the BB ships it for 400 effective. I snap call. Board runs out 6d and 8d and Q3dd takes the 1kish pot. I think its the biggest pot I have ever lost Not so much the hand, but I actually copped a ridiculous slowroll. I showed on the turn. Shortie mucked quickly, asian nodded, kind of moved his cards forward before his friend next to him asked to see his cards, he flashed (I couldnt see) waited 15 more seconds before showing the monster. 96% equity in one of the biggest pots of your life certainly sucks, I think 4th biggest pot I have played, biggest I have lost but I have a lot of hands in the 800-1000 range. The 200max nature of the game sucks a bit.

Within 6 hands and a friend of mine sits down very late, only just getting dealt a hand. This obv changes the cards etc, but I flop a set in the CO with 33 again 7 ways, flop 643. Someone donks for 20, a call, I raise to 110 and get a call. Turn Q, I shove for just over a PSB, and get called by 65 river 7 yay...

I did turn it around, including the straight flush hand where I pwned the guy who peeled a turn card with 64o on a 5h6x9h - 6h - 4x with 78hh for a 1.1k pot. The funniest thing was I thought I got called in one spot on the flop. The caller folded, I actually sighed and said "Jeez, call some tim...." before I realised seat 1 still had cards and had also called the flop, and was putting together chips for the turn. He called the 1/2 pot bet on the turn, and just over minraise the 2/3 pot on the river. I wtf? for 10 second, bollywooded and shoved, and he snapped off with bottom boat for not quite 200BB for the whole hand...

Venice, I know that you are somewhat averse to HH's in this thread, but I think that the odd LOL hand plus a decent story is cool...

Cliffs

[x] Lost biggest pot ever with 96% equity when the money went in
[x] straight flush
[x] semi
[ ] Losing night
[x] what if...

Don't you love those crazy nights?

I miss playing something fierce. The basketball program I run just soaks up most of my weekends from September - February. My irregular 50NL home game plays this Saturday. I have a game that night but will only miss a little of the night. Fun fish there - I am like their Poker God, which is so wrong in so many ways. There are two bar poker clowns that live to try and stack me there. I show the mortal nuts against those guys time and time again, and they still snap call because they hate the thought I may bluff them. I hope they never realize I almost never, ever bluff them. LOL.

I will get to play some 1/2 or 2/5 over Thanksgiving, and I am hoping to maybe play over New Year's as well. Other than that, it will be micro stakes home games.

On the plus side, I am using this time to study a little and think through some leaks. I felt I was playing really well when I played my last session in late August, and I hope I don't get too rusty this winter. On the plus side, between the home games and some extra cash running in through basketball, I will be able to add $2k to my bankroll, which will make me more comfortable to play 2/5 mostly starting in March.

nice. definitely sucks being in poker hibernation a bit. i had no roll all summer, if you remember me complaining... also spent the time on studying the game. man does it make a difference when u go back. best of luck getting back to regular games

Writers of PAHWM threads get one "Get out of Jail, Free" cards.

Do they Rollover though?