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01-16-2012 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DeuceKicker
I will not make the same mistake you did and brag that my latest 4BI win puts me at almost 12 BB/hr at 2-3NL, over 80% winning sessions, and no losing streak greater than two sessions. I will not say those things so as not to tempt the poker gods.
Awesome results; amount of hours?

I've just passed 500 hours, lol. I kinda get sick to my stomach reading about good players who go on extended periods of breakeven / losing over lottsa hands; not sure if I could handle that since playing the same lottsa hands will take me years to do playing once/week.
01-16-2012 , 06:13 PM
All this talk about football, baseball, basketball; pffft.

My Mom's curling team just curled an eight ender last week. Beat that.

GhurryhardG
01-16-2012 , 06:19 PM
This has to be a regional and generational thing with youth sports obsession. When I was in high school in the northeast, sports was solely a club to do for a max of 2.5 hours after school. No team had more than 3 coaches and I never heard one rumor of them listening to a helicopter parent.

That's why in college football recruiting, no one goes to the northeast. Once you get into Ohio they make sports a kid's 2nd unpaid job.

But man if Crew is a sport then we r00w at that.
01-16-2012 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
All this talk about football, baseball, basketball; pffft.

My Mom's curling team just curled an eight ender last week. Beat that.

GhurryhardG
Dannnnnggggggg
01-16-2012 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stampler
I was a nerd, and was on the debate squad in hs.
our coach was Danny Arnold, who produced/ directed the Barney Miller show.
We went into the state championship acting like we already had it won, because we had a rather ruthless strategy that was theoretically unbeatable, and had gotten us that far.
What we didnt expect, was that Churchill had done their homework, and they used our own strategy against us, which we were unprepared for.

I'm still not over it, almost 30 years later, having been the number one losers, because we let our guard down.

...which is silly, because the whole thing was based on winning by bending the rules, and the effectiveness of the strategy had nothing to do with the content of the debate.
it was essentially an angle soot that got us our results, because we were within the rules, but were still shooting dirty pool. In retrospect, Arnold was a terrible coach because the lesson was to be a cut-throat if it meant winning. It was fun at the time steam-rolling hapless opponents, but now i realize that a coach should convey positive life lessons to the players that they can take away and apply in a positive way to their future endeavors.

I would imagine some of my team mates went on to work for Enron, lol.
I was on the debate team in Junior High (also a nerd). Our coach wasnt competitive at all which is probally a big reason why our debate team performed pretty poorly. He was an awesome teacher and a really nice guy tho. Probally my favorate teacher throughout my schooling.
01-16-2012 , 10:31 PM
All county lineman in '95: http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...0&fpart=1&vc=1
01-16-2012 , 10:51 PM
Sup bro!
01-17-2012 , 12:46 AM
If Rounders came out tomorrow with nothing changed, how do you think it would be received by the poker community? Do you think it would be the cult classic that it is or "meh tells aren't real and the hand vs KGB was standard, your supposed to go broke right there."

(obviously feeding off the recent influx of live tells threads)
01-17-2012 , 01:32 AM
If Rounders came out tomorrow EXACTLY the same as before, it would still be relatively well received by most poker players except more people will notice more "weird" things about the movie.

Back in the day people generally opened pots a lot larger, so the open for 20x BB HU with Kings wont be considered as weird as it is considered these days. Same as a few of the other questionable plays.

Everyone will still be mad that Mike didnt bang the dark haired chick of course
01-17-2012 , 01:38 AM
I still have not seen rounders. I can't believe it, I tried looking for it online and couldn't find it. Netflix was not functioning, so I said forget it.

It probably will be my favorite movie. Until the dumb ending like every poker movie.

I think they make the last hand a loser. To send a message to young adults. That gambling is horrible.
01-17-2012 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
I still have not seen rounders. I can't believe it, I tried looking for it online and couldn't find it. Netflix was not functioning, so I said forget it.

It probably will be my favorite movie. Until the dumb ending like every poker movie.

I think they make the last hand a loser. To send a message to young adults. That gambling is horrible.
I think that the ending of
Spoiler:
The Cincinatti Kid. I didn't see it but Richard Marcus's book did not have a spoiler tag


If Rounders came out today we'd argue endlessly about "most pros don't play nl because they can't handle the swings" if limit actually has larger swings.

Spoiler:
It depends on what you buy in for an bunch of other stuff.
01-17-2012 , 02:02 AM
Actually the ending to Rounders is.... EPIC.
01-17-2012 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
I still have not seen rounders. I can't believe it, I tried looking for it online and couldn't find it. Netflix was not functioning, so I said forget it.

It probably will be my favorite movie. Until the dumb ending like every poker movie.

I think they make the last hand a loser. To send a message to young adults. That gambling is horrible.
There are ummm... other ways to get it.

plus i think the whole thing is on youtube!
01-17-2012 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dyenimator
There are ummm... other ways to get it.

plus i think the whole thing is on youtube!
Yeah I have seen them but its tilting because of the 5min clips. Watched 2 then I was like nevermind.

This was a while ago like 2 years.

I have seen the Cincinnati kid epic movie. I also seen a cowboy poker movie. Forgot the name but the guy was a true hustler.
01-17-2012 , 03:11 AM
pirate bay it.
01-17-2012 , 03:30 AM
Obligatory EuroRounders reference...

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...psed&sb=5&o=14
01-17-2012 , 06:22 AM
the sheer degen factor of "Owning Mahoney" w/ Philip Seymour Hoffman blows Rounders away.

Last edited by stampler; 01-17-2012 at 06:27 AM.
01-17-2012 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ashley12
If Rounders came out tomorrow EXACTLY the same as before, it would still be relatively well received by most poker players except more people will notice more "weird" things about the movie.

Back in the day people generally opened pots a lot larger, so the open for 20x BB HU with Kings wont be considered as weird as it is considered these days. Same as a few of the other questionable plays.

Everyone will still be mad that Mike didnt bang the dark haired chick of course
This post contains much awesomeness; last line is gold lols.

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So some of you will recall that last week I completed a small decorative bowl I had been working on forever. This week, I have three refinishing projects in various stages of completion.

The one I finished today is my office desk, a very nice mahogany desk that was beginning to show it's age. Some mineral spirits to clean it, some lacquer thinner to reamalgamate some cloudy spots in the finish, some polishing compound to remove the fine scratches (I left the worst scratches alone--beyond my skill level) and two coats of carnuba wax have it looking as good as when I bought it (for 25% of retail because it was a scratch and dent floor model).

Very happy with the results; however, as genius boy was replacing all the stuff that goes on the desk, the just completed decorative bowl shot from between my well waxed fingers like a watermelon seed, hit the tile floor and shattered like glass. It would have been pretty funny if I hadn't just finished the damn thing.

Oh, and I'm down $1000 in my last 3 sessions.

How are y'all?
01-17-2012 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Count me in the licking my wounds category. Been getting slaughtered for the past week.
Me too ... in the middle of an epic downswing. Definitely the worst I've ever had. -$3k in about two months of mostly 1/2, a couple 2/5 sessions, a couple tourneys.

[BAD BEAT STORY INVOLVING ACES, PLEASE IGNORE MY WHINING!]

Yesterday in 1/2 game with several huge fish. Get AA UTG+1, raise to $12, 4 callers (lol). Flop K hi rainbow. Massive fish in Sb leads out for 30 (!). I'm thinking sweet, he has a king, and this guy is never folding top pair. I raise $45 more just to isolate (he's got like $100 back at this point), he sighs and pushes all in. I think he might have the damn set and hollywooding, but oh well, he's probably doing the same thing with a King, besides its like $60 more and the pot is $215 ish and there's two hearts and I have the A hearts for a little backdoor equity. Turn is K and river blanks. I know I'm beat. He sits there looking at me and even tho I called, I roll over my aces and say "show me your crappy king". He blinks , pauses like at LEAST 6-7 seconds, then rocks over k2 with a big ass smile. ******* slowrolled by a fish!

FISHEES GONNNA FISH.
01-17-2012 , 10:17 AM
@Mpethy- Run good much?
01-17-2012 , 10:34 AM
I played a hand that was both gross and interesting in my last session.

I am in the BB with AA and 125bb. Villain 1 is a fishy loose passive regular in permanent god mode. No ****, I have 20 to 30 hours against this guy spread over the last 2 months, and it is rare to see him play for more than 30 minutes without making a flush or trips or some hand I have to wait avweek for. I know that sounds like an exaggeration, but I swear it is not. Every session I have seen him play would qualify as the heater of the month in my experience. He currently has about $1100 in his stack.

Anyway, he is loose passive preflop, but aggro with the nuts he so frequently has. His guiding maxim is "Lose small pots and win big ones" he doesn't chase without odds, he can fold good hands under pressure, but does tend to over value top pair in small pots.

Villain two is a bad tag tourist with about 150bb, so mine is the effective stack. 2 orbits previous to this one, I had 3 bet air against his button raise 3x his raise size and he folded.

Villain 1 limps, two other limpers, villain two is OTB and raises to $12. I 3 bet to $30. Villain turbo calls as if I had made it $10, villain 2 says, "WTF is going on here? Tanks for 15 seconds or so and calls.

Maybe $95 in the pot. Flop is J84r. I bet $48 in one stack of chips without saying anything. Before i even get my hand off the chips, villain one instantly announces "minimum raise" and then waits for the dealer to count my chips and tell him his bet is 96. Villain 2 goes into the tank again and I hear him mutter to himself, "**** top pair no good, one of these guys has queens," and folds.

The only value hand I can put villain 1 on is JJ, but I just heard villain 2 saying he folded a jack. So either I am looking at the case jack on the board, or villain 1 is making a move possibly because he read my 1/2 pot c-bet as weakness. I would not have thought him capable of this move, but I could be wrong.

What do you guys think is the best play of these 4 options:

1. Fold now.
2. Call the min raise and c/f if he puts me all in on the turn.
3. Call the min raise and c/c if he puts me in on the turn
4. Shove

Last edited by mpethybridge; 01-17-2012 at 10:39 AM.
01-17-2012 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
@Mpethy- Run good much?
November if 2010 I played 40,000 hands online and won $12,600 and ran 2 buy ins above all in expectation. Every other month of my poker career since the invention of tracking software I have run below AIEV.

Long way of saying no, lol.
01-17-2012 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
November if 2010 I played 40,000 hands online and won $12,600 and ran 2 buy ins above all in expectation. Every other month of my poker career since the invention of tracking software I have run below AIEV.

Long way of saying no, lol.
Well thats a cool story and everything... but I was more concerned about the bowl!
01-17-2012 , 10:54 AM
mpethybridge: still not clear if its 1/2 or 1/3 nlhe. changes the scenario a little bit. Also, I don know what kind of confidence you can put in the "top pair no good" speech, as I see that all the time with spewy villains who want to save face.

if 1/2, I like shoveling on the flop. your weaker cbet may induce a "find where I am bet" or in case AJ (discounted)/QQ+ a "AK no good, fold now $@#!@..." bet.

1/3, this becomes a little interesting because you now have $297 effective OTF, having to call $48 for a pot size of $239. with your read of bad "tag" tourist, 44/88/QQ/TT and discounted JJ/KK/AK come into play. I'd like to call, see turn, and eval. If turn checked through I'm going to valuetown river, and if v continues to bet, it's going to be heavily dependent on reads as to what you think he plays like this and what you think his mindset is with your weakish flop bet.
01-17-2012 , 11:06 AM
Because he limped pre I think it's a set, J8, or an OESD. Though your description made it seem like villain wouldn't raise with the draw. Also, I would think a set would slowplay it a bit more rather than chase you off. My guess is J8.

Though he could be one of those fish that automatically puts people on AK when they see a 3bet. In that case, he's raising you because he thinks you missed.

I'm folding because I have MUBS when I get played back at with overpairs/top pair. Calling then c/f might be ok but unfortunately there are only 6 "scare cards" that could possibly come out to prevent his 2nd barrel.

EDIT:

Actually, if you only have 250 to start the hand choices 2 and 3 aren't even real choices. You shouldn't be giving up half your stack just to fold or call the next street...

Last edited by TAOxEaglex; 01-17-2012 at 11:12 AM.

      
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