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09-18-2012 , 08:56 PM
To how much?
09-18-2012 , 08:59 PM
it is 125, he announced raise then put in the amount he called and then put out his raise. pretty standard imo.
09-18-2012 , 09:00 PM
How could you argue any other number? He put out his call and the raise amount. Did the other guy try to argue this?
09-18-2012 , 09:03 PM
I thought the same thing. Dealer stopped game and called floor etc..

I agree it should always be 125. Dealer thought oversized chip =minraise

Dealer actually just said fine 125 after 2 other players (including me) said he clearly wanted to make it 125. Other guy in hand said nothing.

Just remembered this now and was wondering if we were way wrong.
09-18-2012 , 09:06 PM
Oversized chip is for when you put one chip in the pot and say nothing. That would make it a call not a min raise.
09-18-2012 , 09:09 PM
I am confused. So the guy bets $25, another guy says raise, put in 5 red ($5 chip), then went back for $100 bill?

It's pretty standard raise for any idiot that saw how cool people do raises in movies.
09-18-2012 , 09:10 PM
I know and agree

This happened in a spot I haven't played too much before and was wondering if the rule I know is standard everywhere.

I was just curious because I butted in (don't normally say much) because this guy clearly wanted to raise to 125.
09-18-2012 , 09:28 PM
Ooooh, by oversized chip you meant that he put in the red chips as oppose to $1 chips.

Maybe if he said raise and put in a single black chip ($100), then it would be a raise straight to $100.

It's simply a stupid situation because someone saw it done in a movie once.
09-18-2012 , 09:31 PM
I'm saying the dealer considered the bill an oversized chip that would constitute a minimum action changing raise to 50$. (25more)
09-18-2012 , 09:37 PM
Sounds like an inexperienced dealer that confused call with raise.
09-18-2012 , 10:04 PM
Yea, very std, that's a raise to 125
09-18-2012 , 10:17 PM
varies house to house but 99% of the time it's raise to $125 total, since chips (cash) speaks, and he announced 'raise' verbally.
the rules at the Cal Grand would limit this action to a min-raise, but it's the only place that i know of that does this. they have a bunch of other weird house rules that no one else has, like the dealers push in the middle of the hand.
09-18-2012 , 10:48 PM
Playing 1-3 at an awful table of short stacks and nits. I became short stacked as well after losing AA to KK.
I have like $215, I'm tilty inside, but not outwardly.

I straddle $10 from the button, guy who has been limping every single hand and calling any raise around $15 calls $10. Guy usually check folds flop then, one other guy calls as well.

I have Jh, Jd and raise to $35. Mr.Limp now makes it $100 total, puts it in all aggressive like, pounding it to the table.
I shove for whatever I have left... He calls the extra $80 or whatever.

Board
Js, 5s, 2s, As, 6c

He has Jc,7s

He claims, "I figured you raise all your straddles with garbage so..."
Even though this was maybe the 3rd straddle and I folded the prior 2 to 4x raises.

So, yay stupid bad logic and spiking the flush!
09-18-2012 , 10:54 PM
God ATF and BBV just got weirder than **** today...
09-18-2012 , 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
I knew what you were talking about. Projections are over rated. VJax waa projected to get 4 points... I started him and I got 18 points.
This.

I was projected to score something ridiculous like 127 last week and only scored 50....
09-19-2012 , 12:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
Playing 1-3 at an awful table of short stacks and nits. I became short stacked as well after losing AA to KK.
I have like $215, I'm tilty inside, but not outwardly.

I straddle $10 from the button, guy who has been limping every single hand and calling any raise around $15 calls $10. Guy usually check folds flop then, one other guy calls as well.

I have Jh, Jd and raise to $35. Mr.Limp now makes it $100 total, puts it in all aggressive like, pounding it to the table.
I shove for whatever I have left... He calls the extra $80 or whatever.

Board
Js, 5s, 2s, As, 6c

He has Jc,7s

He claims, "I figured you raise all your straddles with garbage so..."
Even though this was maybe the 3rd straddle and I folded the prior 2 to 4x raises.

So, yay stupid bad logic and spiking the flush!
Why are you straddling the button? I think it's really bad logic to make that play considering stakes.
09-19-2012 , 12:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garick
God ATF and BBV just got weirder than **** today...
I think you got punked, that's all.
09-19-2012 , 01:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
Why are you straddling the button? I think it's really bad logic to make that play considering stakes.
I don't know why I'm straddling... I mean I have my own explaination and ideas but it seems like I'm in the 10% vs 90% here that just think straddling is a bad play no matter what, -EV.

I've read like 20 threads this week about straddling and still don't think it's as awful of a play as some make it out to be.

On a seperate topic, I've been wondering for some time about this; Pre flop bet sizing in $1-3.
That's essentially the only game where I'm at, it's the NL game of choice. Occasionally places will have a $2-5, but everywhere has at least multiple $1-3 games.

Anyways, the PF bets range from $12-35. But I've always thought 11X BB bets were pretty damn big, or is that standard at this level?
Really I think the $25-30 raise with TT, AJs, 99, QQ ect comes from the fact that if you make it $12-15 you're seeing the flop with 6 people, which you don't really want.

But you get guys buying in for $100, calling $35 pre.

I've always felt that 1-3 plays big.

People raising $25 PF, picking up 2 callers, are going to have to fire $55 or so as a CBet.
Putting in almost 1/3 of a $300 BI.
09-19-2012 , 01:49 AM
Straddling is fine if it opens up everyone's bluffing range, but only if you recognize the dynamic and know when to use such dynamic to turn your hand into bluff catcher.
09-19-2012 , 01:55 AM
I straddle the button to 3x (max allowed in my 1-2 game) multiple times a night because like half the time I get like 5-6 limpers and I can raise to like $26 and take it down right there.
09-19-2012 , 01:57 AM
Straddles make people do funny things.

For example, people never put you on big hands when you raise as straddler, and people always think you have garbage when you just call a raise as straddler.

So what often happens is that people will call you with super wide range and pay you off, or people will make big bluffs, thinking you will fold your garbage post flop.

Naturally, just like everything else in poker, you need to be good enough to take advantage of the dynamic instead of being part of the exploit.
09-19-2012 , 02:16 AM
The whole straddle thing is just funny though, because in 9/10 hands I post or bring up on this site there's a straddle PF. And whether it's mine or another player's, people always seem to **** on the straddle. And I get that the worst spot to be in for NLH is SB/BB, so putting out an additional blind raise, and playing OOP on the flop isn't optimal.

However, in the 1-3 around here, I'd guess that 3/10 hands a round there's straddle. Sometimes more, guy who straddle on button and UTG, and then another guy, then someone sees them do it and tries it. That's half the orbit with a straddle between $7-15.

And like Kato said, there's many many times where I'll straddle the button for $12 and the first 3 people throw in $3 not paying attention at all... The dealer says (Again), "It's a $12 straddle!..." and they go back and just casually put in the $12.

2 other guys call the $12 as well, so when it comes to me on the button, there's $60 in the pot.
So I'll pop it to $35. The 2 idiots who thought they were calling 3 muck, 1 other guy does, and it's either heads up or I'll take it down right there.

If it's HU, I have no problem playing post flop with most players. Not that I'm AMAZING, but I honestly do feel like on the average $1-3 table I'm the best or 2nd best at the table. I mean people are calling the $35 raise with AJ for instance, and checking a flop of 10,10,2 or 4,3,10 or 8,9,3 etc ALL THE TIME. And then the $50 CBet easily takes down $130. 90% of these players are never floating or playing back at you with AJ high there. You know?

But on the flip side, I've lost money here and there because nitty rocks will call the straddle, wait for me to raise, and then jam all in with their JJ-AA.

So, who knows... I guess I just don't see it as plainly black and white as saying a straddle is always awful because it shortens your stack and bloats the pots.
And I usually only straddle on the button, not UTG.
09-19-2012 , 02:38 AM
Straddling the button can be a good play a lot of the time. I dont know why you would ever straddle for more than the minimum though
09-19-2012 , 02:46 AM
Anyone know where I can buy replacement Iphone4s screens for cheap and in bulk?
09-19-2012 , 02:50 AM
umm...why?

      
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