LOOOOOOOL at that last line as well, off the top of my head how bout a week ago when I told WLS he owed me 400 less than what he calculated. and check your freaking work for god's sake, last few weeks I've posted my numbers on Monday/Tuesday, do u have any idea how many people post numbers after me?

updated

+1,560 WeLikeSportz
+400 crazyrunner912 (anyone know if he's still around?)
+300 jahpoker1
+200 toocrispy
+170 dunlap
+90 cabreraera2
-79 seatseller
-181 kingof299s
-292 bronbron
-342 chgocubs99
-388 Sports87
-1,432 zimmer4141

+6

yes obviously if he posted that he wanted the game and then I came along and took that game myself he would have grounds to say hey please don't take that (although STILL afaik in this forum u CANNOT no action a swap someone takes against u on the grounds of having it on your list, u may only ask)

that's not what happened

here are some relevant quotes:

[3/18/16, 12:04:33 AM] ss: Would you take nova please cus I'm trying for Cuse, closest to hometown sweat when Cornell doesn't get in

[3/18/16, 12:06:39 AM] ss: Alright I just posted for Cuse. Obviously don't pick against Cuse.
[3/18/16, 12:07:05 AM] ss: I'll try not to edit in Nova to my wants too

...

My personal opinion is that there are two prevailing views in thread on how swaps are used in the thread:

1) View 1 - book the games you like out of the list that is accepting swaps and then book an additional game of your own. This is especially egrigious when you had the game open in your list and then book it off thier list AND book a swap.

2) View 2 - swap with people to get more action. you are trading a game you don't want for a game you do.

I am going to say that View 1 is borderline angling and violates the spirit of the thread. I am sure I have done it on accident or drunk but I try not to. View 2 should be the way people view swaps.

Not going to get into the middle on which this was as i haven't talked to either of you and don't know what was said outside of thread but in my opinoin if you post a list saying WILL SWAP with no qualifiers and someone books the action and banks a swap they can use it on anything that doesn't directly conflict with what the original poster prior to the swap. By being allowed veto rights you essentially are only letting the other guy pick a game you like the other side of which in my opinion puts it into category 1. If you want veto rights then post MUST CONFIRM or CANT TAKE x/y/z or CAN ONLY BOOK NBA/NCAA etc.

I am sure other people have some different views but that is my take on it.

Bron I don't know what you're expecting here pal, either pick a bball spread or over/under tomorrow or stop crying and wasting my time. Villanova plays Thursday tho so don't try it.

Back to business:

I'm owed:
Sterfry +$244
Ty +$100
Bacon +$324
Jcohen +$79
Iloveny +$214

I owe:
Dunlap -$509
PostOak -$257
Mattew -$8

I'm not looking for a bunch of cronies to jump all over you and say oooooooh bron is right you're a scumbag leave the thread immediately (although obv I've made my opinion on your scumminess clear going back to the time we agreed to bet on every hockey game but I missed copying one down so u refused to pay me for it LOL)

is there really any sort of debate regarding if u were justified to literally no action a bet because u had it on your list? I sure hope not, or the whole swapping thing around here would get prettyyyyy complicated lol...

it's hard to blame people for not wanting to read all this trash but it's pretty unfortunate as someone who always offers an opinion for other issues. the fact remains u actually no actioned a swap that I took against you, which is 100% illegal, and if anyone does take the time to read the whole story behind how the game got in your wants in the first place, I'd truly be amazed if they maintain any sort of respect for u

edit: something has to happen bro, you no actioned a swap I took against you, you can't ****ing do that in this thread, the solution is that the bet of yours I took that u contractually agreed to give me a swap for is obv void

and yes it was Monday/Monday/Monday/Tuesday for me posting numbers last 4 weeks, do u have any idea how many people this puts me in front of? I started taking more/lower action so I've been more responsible than half the thread, when I would delay before it would be with 2-3 balances that were rolling anyway. although I must say I think ppl understand that investment banking sometimes requires time commitment that u might not grasp as a professional 2/5 live poker player

this is just pure banworthy to post when again after tonight my previous 4 weeks of posting are mon/mon/mon/tues, and before that I wasn't active...along with the recent $400 correction against myself, but yea man u got it, that's been my scheme for the last 6 years, u caught me

wichita's post is quite obviously correct btw

I'm owed:

Driverseati +750
Dunlap +300
JCohen +1432
Luckybacon +324
Who You Wit +150

I owe:

Gostatego -200

luckily everyone else here besides u can read, and see that I said u could absolutely let me know if taking a swap tmrw didn't work for you...

and not that it matters but I'm referring to the time at which I booked your open action, if u no longer wanted to offer swaps then u needed to close it

it seems like u feel pretty good about yourself and all these irrelevant words you've typed and baseless insults you've flung but fortunately this is real life and it's quite obvious what actually happened here

I do sincerely apologize to the thread for polluting this area, I'd like nothing more than to never have to post about this again. but while everyone was busy betting this weekend, this thread member no actioned a legal swap that I took against him. we should address this briefly or one of you could be next

remember this is the guy that has his own ridiculously backwards rule for handling overbooks, who's to say he's not going to decline swaps y'all take vs him in the future and point to this incident as precedence...

cubs -100
cabrera -400
bluff -466
billy -796

hven 200
king 273.5
jcohen 292
ty 345
dunlap 637 (see pm)
homanga 1000
sports 1578
jpb 2134

Post a bball spread or total for tomorrow bron $100/300.

Jcohen will pay you the 388 he owes me

sports87 and jcohen are now square
sports87 now owes bronbron 1190

Bron, I agree that people should weigh in on these kinds of things so the rules are clear. A lot of times people will hang back cause it's easier to not get involved. At the time I did not comment because I was too busy, only half the story was out and then it seemed like you guys had sorted it, though not amicably.

I generally agree with what goodbar and wichita have already said. I don't think his win should be no actioned because it occurred the night before you attempted a swap. I understand why you are frustrated. You chose Nova and he flat out said he wouldn't pay you if it won. So you then decided you didn't want to get freerolled and cancelled the swap attempt (of course Nova covered). I can see why you feel you are entitled to more than just a mere swap. I would not say you are entitled to not paying the $300 from the original bet though. That seems too harsh. Maybe you should get 2 swaps? This will probably leave you both unsatisfied, which doesn't mean it's a bad compromise. Then you can move on and not bet with each anymore.

A few thoughts...

1. seatseller had said in the thread that bron was being scummy by holding off on swapping in order to see which of his picks were sharp based on what the thread didn't match from his wishlist. I don't think this makes any logical sense. He is just posting a list trying to get each one matched. If something from the list is matched, he has action on it so it's not like he is using it to figure out which games to bet and which not to bet. And the idea the thread consensus is sharp seems almost as unreasonable. If we all want New England Pats every week (and you know we do), does that mean it is the sharp side? I don't think bron was angling by waiting, nor do I think it is even possible to angle by waiting. I think he wanted to see what would get matched and what would need to be swapped.

2. I agree that a person who gives a banked swap should not have a hard veto on what it can be (unless it is already mentioned as unswappable in his post or is already on his list). He can certainly request that you pick something different, but should not be able to unilaterally refuse.

3. Seatseller, just don't give banked swaps in the future. It's clear you are not comfortable giving banked swaps. You don't want to take anything from a list that has been "picked through" and you want to know upfront what your action/exposure is. There's no problem with any of that and I realize I am not telling you anything you don't know. It seems in this instance you were like "ok, whatever" but then grew increasingly uncomfortable as bron waited to see what he could get matched in thread and what he would have to use for the swap. So just don't give banked swaps anymore. And don't swap with bron haha

4. This seems to have arisen from a failure to understand each other. Seatseller was clearly antsy and wanted you to pick a game ASAP. I am assuming you wanted to see what you could get matched and figured he had already told you to post it in the "morning". But what he really wanted was for you to do it ASAP. Not sure this makes any difference, but I do think it's best that you never swap with each other again.

iloveny can pay the 214 he owes you to me. you owe me 43. you and iloveny are square. iloveny owes me 328

UPDATED

gaffon -590
sports87 -880
sterfry -184

homanga +452
iloveny +328
JPB +1304
ryhe +336 DO NOT SWAP, pm sent
seatseller +43
whoyouwit +58
wichita +1357
WLS +1650

1. swap between post-oak, sterfry, seatseller

ss owes po 43
ster owes ss 244
po owes ster 184

becomes

ss and po are square
ster owes ss 201
po owes ster 141


2. swap between post-oak, sterfry, homanga

po owes ster 141
hom owes po 452
hom owes ster 600

becomes

po and ster are square
hom owes po 311
hom owes ster 741

Good post, Post. You're right.
I didn't. This wasn't for a banked swap. There were a few basketball games still untipped that night when I posted at 9:43. Bron knew that as you can see in his post asking for an exception since he had action on two of the possible games the swap was available for. I asked him to make his pick early (not an early game, just make his pick soon) because of exposure like you said.

I'm owed:
Sterfry +$201
Ty +$100
Bacon +$324
Jcohen +$79

I owe:
Dunlap -$509
Mattew -$8

UPDATED

gaffon -590
sports87 -880


homanga +311
iloveny +328
JPB +1304
ryhe +336 DO NOT SWAP, pm sent
whoyouwit +58
wichita +1357
WLS +1650

oh yeah, i know it wasn't your plan to give a banked swap. but then he asked if he could do a swap for one of tomorow's games. i am saying, lesson learned, just say no

just say no to banked swaps

oh i guess you are saying you wanted him to pick one of tomorrow's games but to do it that night. i don't think he ever understood it that way. seems you guys had different understandings of the deal and that created some friction

Updated, good to swap. please pm if you see discrepancy.

WeLikeSportz -700
sports87 -50
CabreraEra2 -400
toocrispy -300
Post-oak -328
jahpoker1 -100
Bluffmynuts -64
sterfryz -100

kingof299s 429 (discrepancy here, do not swap)
ryheniiice 714

I'm assuming your balance w/ Dunlap is good + swappable.

Pay Dunlap an additional 300 so he owes you 337 and I'll pay you 2434

updated

+1,560 WeLikeSportz
+400 crazyrunner912 (anyone know if he's still around?)
+300 jahpoker1
+200 toocrispy
+170 dunlap
+90 cabreraera2
-79 seatseller
-181 kingof299s
-342 chgocubs99
-680 bron
-1,432 zimmer4141

+6

Sorry guys, busy Monday. Here is my preswap (iloveny number is confirmed, worked out)

Preswap

I am owed
Goodbar +17
Bizzle +50
Bluff +50
luckbacon +100
WYW +105
jcohen +181
Sports87 +200
WLS +279.5 (rolled)
Eddy +350

I owe
ecoutlaw -3 (rolled)
kobe -13
cubs -235 (rolled)
bron -273.5 (rolled -173.5)
h_ven -250
iloveny -429 (rolled -282)