Oddish lines against nits...
09-23-2013
, 02:52 PM
Playing 1-2 super (100 to 500 buy in)
I had two hands that I played kind of odd because both players (different sessions) were very nit regulars.
The first hand was against a regular who always buys in for the max 500, tips with $1 coins (the only time I every see the American $1 coin) I guess so he can keep his huge stack. Pretty patient guy often playing 12 hour sessions (He's been there when I arived..I play for 5 hours...take off for 3 and he's often still there when I come back)
Anyway he limps somewhat wide...will raises AK AA-JJ usually large, and limp folds a lot...calls raises with small pairs AK AQ maybe some suited Aces and suited broadway... When I'm in position...I Isolate him with larger (for me bets) and take the pot away on the flop with a wide range. He seems to be on a bad run, complaining a little bit..
I probably have a rep as being a tagy player.. I remember one time when I raised a couple of limpers and one of the limpers folded KQ...He said to me You probably have him beet most players only raise KQ+. Another hand I played with him went 6 way I had A9o in the bb....A high flop checks through on the blank turn he bets 12, I call and on the river (another blank) he bets 12 again I check raised him to $40...and he through his hand down face up cursing his bad luck.
In this hand I have about $300......
A loose call players limps for $2 I look down see AK and make it 10 from mid position...($10 bets were often getting me 2 or 3 way...and no point in putting in more money against this guy till I hit equity)...
but My nitty villain calls on the btn as does the bb and the loose player folds...
Flop...3 players $30 ish....
A
Q
7
BB checks....I bet out $20...nit calls and BB folds...
Now AQ boards are not my favorite when I have AK especially against a nitty player...
Turn $70
T
Well he can't have a lot of flush draws with the A on the board, so what am I going to get value from if I keep betting any size...KQ QJ Qj maybe some suited connectors....possibly the AJs...I'm behind Kj AQ ATs 77...and tie AK...
I choose to bet small $25 (probably too small)...he calls....at this point I don't really put him on the big hands...but don't expect to get much from him on any of the hands I know beat...and its possable that with position he is slow playing...
River... $120
A low blank....
At this point I think AK is his most likely hand...but maybe I can get small value from a week Ace really only AJs...or really small bet might get KQ or QJ of clubs to call...
I bet $25 again ?????
thoughts appreciated...
The second hand played the next day is against a nitty Indian guy..
Ive seen this guy not riase AJs and AQ...though he may do it at times...
His preflop raises tend to be very big...$18 or $20 over a limper is not uncommon...though often smaller with AK... can't remember him ever getting 3 bet...(in most of my games I'm the only player who ever 3 bets...almost)....
I have seen him pot control second pair....In this session he has been loosing...he showed me and AJs he had limped with after he missed the flop "again" as he mucked... Again he is a player wh likes to buy in deep often $300 or $400....
He tends to play with his phone rather the watch the game...(today he was playing gin rummy against his phone) will limp a bit but folds to raises more then the first villain...probably has a tighter limping and limp calling range...your true set mining nit....
he probably sees me as a winning tag who's capable of bluffing...though who knows if he adjust to anyone...I have about $300
One limper....villain makes it $18....I look down and see AA...Now I'm not sure if he will fold QQ or JJ to a big 3 bet and or will get KK in for stacks here...add that to the fact that the worst poker player I have ever seen is sitting to my left with about $250 stack...I elect to smooth call...
Well the loose player gets away and it goes HU....
My plan is to play my AA very aggressive...probably over shoving any low flop with a flush draw...expecting my nitty friend to stack off enough (against my flush draw) to make it a very profitable line.
flop 2 players....$35 ish...
Q82
and he checks to me....my thinking is trip queens or JJ maybe TT...posably AK giving up (if he even plays it this way pre flop)....
I make it $25..and he snap calls.....My plan now is to check back most turns...and make a small value bet on the river....or call his reasonable bet on the river...(of course if an A or a J comes on the turn I'm changing my plan)
Thoughts....
I had two hands that I played kind of odd because both players (different sessions) were very nit regulars.
The first hand was against a regular who always buys in for the max 500, tips with $1 coins (the only time I every see the American $1 coin) I guess so he can keep his huge stack. Pretty patient guy often playing 12 hour sessions (He's been there when I arived..I play for 5 hours...take off for 3 and he's often still there when I come back)
Anyway he limps somewhat wide...will raises AK AA-JJ usually large, and limp folds a lot...calls raises with small pairs AK AQ maybe some suited Aces and suited broadway... When I'm in position...I Isolate him with larger (for me bets) and take the pot away on the flop with a wide range. He seems to be on a bad run, complaining a little bit..
I probably have a rep as being a tagy player.. I remember one time when I raised a couple of limpers and one of the limpers folded KQ...He said to me You probably have him beet most players only raise KQ+. Another hand I played with him went 6 way I had A9o in the bb....A high flop checks through on the blank turn he bets 12, I call and on the river (another blank) he bets 12 again I check raised him to $40...and he through his hand down face up cursing his bad luck.
In this hand I have about $300......
A loose call players limps for $2 I look down see AK and make it 10 from mid position...($10 bets were often getting me 2 or 3 way...and no point in putting in more money against this guy till I hit equity)...
but My nitty villain calls on the btn as does the bb and the loose player folds...
Flop...3 players $30 ish....
A
Q7BB checks....I bet out $20...nit calls and BB folds...
Now AQ boards are not my favorite when I have AK especially against a nitty player...
Turn $70
T
Well he can't have a lot of flush draws with the A
on the board, so what am I going to get value from if I keep betting any size...KQ QJ Qj maybe some suited connectors....possibly the AJs...I'm behind Kj AQ ATs 77...and tie AK...I choose to bet small $25 (probably too small)...he calls....at this point I don't really put him on the big hands...but don't expect to get much from him on any of the hands I know beat...and its possable that with position he is slow playing...
River... $120
A low blank....
At this point I think AK is his most likely hand...but maybe I can get small value from a week Ace really only AJs...or really small bet might get KQ or QJ of clubs to call...
I bet $25 again ?????
thoughts appreciated...
The second hand played the next day is against a nitty Indian guy..
Ive seen this guy not riase AJs and AQ...though he may do it at times...
His preflop raises tend to be very big...$18 or $20 over a limper is not uncommon...though often smaller with AK... can't remember him ever getting 3 bet...(in most of my games I'm the only player who ever 3 bets...almost)....
I have seen him pot control second pair....In this session he has been loosing...he showed me and AJs he had limped with after he missed the flop "again" as he mucked... Again he is a player wh likes to buy in deep often $300 or $400....
He tends to play with his phone rather the watch the game...(today he was playing gin rummy against his phone) will limp a bit but folds to raises more then the first villain...probably has a tighter limping and limp calling range...your true set mining nit....
he probably sees me as a winning tag who's capable of bluffing...though who knows if he adjust to anyone...I have about $300
One limper....villain makes it $18....I look down and see AA...Now I'm not sure if he will fold QQ or JJ to a big 3 bet and or will get KK in for stacks here...add that to the fact that the worst poker player I have ever seen is sitting to my left with about $250 stack...I elect to smooth call...
Well the loose player gets away and it goes HU....
My plan is to play my AA very aggressive...probably over shoving any low flop with a flush draw...expecting my nitty friend to stack off enough (against my flush draw) to make it a very profitable line.
flop 2 players....$35 ish...
Q
82and he checks to me....my thinking is trip queens or JJ maybe TT...posably AK giving up (if he even plays it this way pre flop)....
I make it $25..and he snap calls.....My plan now is to check back most turns...and make a small value bet on the river....or call his reasonable bet on the river...(of course if an A or a J comes on the turn I'm changing my plan)
Thoughts....
Last edited by Little_blue; 09-23-2013 at 02:59 PM.
09-23-2013
, 03:37 PM
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turn bet needs to be like $45-50. $25 accomplishes nothing. you allow flush draws to see a cheap river while not getting max value from hands you beat such as lower Ax. also 2pair might raise that small bet to get more money in and then you're in a tricky spot.
river is a check back. his range has a lot of 2pair in it and busted flush draws. being a nit, he might even fold his bad Ax hands. AJ is probably the only hand you're getting value from. youre not getting value from worse and getting called by all better hands so i like a check back. betting small might get value from those weaker Ax but he could also raise you off it with a polarized range perceiving weakness or trying to get more value for his big hand.
2nd hand, id only flat if the player to your left 3bets too light. flatting is fine to get that other player to call when you're close to closing the action. im not sure what position you are in but if you're middle position, id 3bet because each flat makes flatting for others behind you more enticing.
id value bet most turns. youre still getting value from AQ/KQ/QJ, KK, diamond draws, any draws he picks up on the turn, maybe JJ-99
river is a check back. his range has a lot of 2pair in it and busted flush draws. being a nit, he might even fold his bad Ax hands. AJ is probably the only hand you're getting value from. youre not getting value from worse and getting called by all better hands so i like a check back. betting small might get value from those weaker Ax but he could also raise you off it with a polarized range perceiving weakness or trying to get more value for his big hand.
2nd hand, id only flat if the player to your left 3bets too light. flatting is fine to get that other player to call when you're close to closing the action. im not sure what position you are in but if you're middle position, id 3bet because each flat makes flatting for others behind you more enticing.
id value bet most turns. youre still getting value from AQ/KQ/QJ, KK, diamond draws, any draws he picks up on the turn, maybe JJ-99
As to the turn...I'm not sure a nitty player is going to pay a lot with any aces I'm betting...$45-50 is not getting called...though I guess Aj has a draw as well so the bigger bet might be correct (assuming he has AJo in his preflop calling range)...
in the 2nd hand....he never has AQ KQ QJ.....he does not raise these hands pre flop....KK is the only questionable hand....and I don't think he checks this to me....The only flush draw he might have in his range a AK
and I don't think he raises this pre flop for 18....
Last edited by Little_blue; 09-23-2013 at 03:43 PM.
09-23-2013
, 04:14 PM
Really nice analysis Little_blue. You seem to know what you're doing with all the solid reads you've described.
Hand 1: On the river, a lot of hands beat you, like you mentioned. If he's the river bluffy type, a small blocker bet looks good to me (I would have bet $30-35 so it doesn't look super weak). Same bet sizing for turn and river looks weak to me.
Hand 2: His snap call on the turn looks like a weak hand with decent showdown equity (JJ TT AK). I think you can discount KK from his range; not betting it seems super strange. You're way ahead of his range on the flop in general (unless he always traps with top set in raised pots).
nice hands
Hand 1: On the river, a lot of hands beat you, like you mentioned. If he's the river bluffy type, a small blocker bet looks good to me (I would have bet $30-35 so it doesn't look super weak). Same bet sizing for turn and river looks weak to me.
Hand 2: His snap call on the turn looks like a weak hand with decent showdown equity (JJ TT A
K). I think you can discount KK from his range; not betting it seems super strange. You're way ahead of his range on the flop in general (unless he always traps with top set in raised pots).nice hands