Villain 1: An unkown Korean guy in his 30s. There is not much info. on him except that he has a bet-sizing tell. He bets bigger when he has a strong hand and smaller when he has a weaker hand. When it folds to him in LP, he attempts to steal the blinds. The only hand we’ve been involved together up to this point is when he raised to $8 on the BTN and folded to my 3b from the BB.

Villain 2: Action player. Tends to overplay hands. Plays way too many hands from all positions. Calls with junk. Fundamentally weak player. Very loose player.

Hero is playing TAG. Hasn’t been involved in too many spots. Is not winning or losing at this point. Showed a 3b bluff preflop from the BB with Q6o after folded to BTN and BTN raises. So has been seen to re-steal.

Live Full Ring Cash Game: $2/$4 (200max)

Stacks:

V1 is MP+1 with $400
V2 is BB with $300
Hero is CO with $450

Pre-Flop: ($6) Hero is CO with KQ
V1 (MP+1) limps $4, Hero (CO) raises to $25, V2 (BB) calls $21, V1 (MP+1) calls $21

Flop: AQ6 ($71 after rake, 3 players)
V2 checks, V1 checks, Hero bets $50, V2 folds, V1 calls $50

Turn: 4 ($171, 2 players)
V1 checks, Hero checks

River: 9 ($171, 2 players)
V1 bets $75, Hero?

V needs to be betting a worse hand > 23.4% of the time for this to be a call. Probably not the case in most situations. I think most often V will have folded air OTF, and check down any worse made hands OTR. This will too often be an ace. Fold.

Even though we are getting a good price to call, I don't think villain is vbetting a worse hand and has very few bluffs from that flop. Fold.

Do you ever think V would be betting hands like A2 or A5 or A8 for value or do you think in most cases, V would be content to c/c?

Also, what if he is in the mindset that the only way he's going to win is if he bets? Then wouldn't this consideration warrant a call?

Your losing to a weak A here alot... And ck flop...

Against only 2 players, why not cb to take a stab at it and take it down there. I could rep an Ace given the action.

Well if you're going to do that, the only hand you're folding out that beats you is KK (which a) likely isn't folding and b) is very unlikely given action). The point is that you don't have one but you do have SDV.

I'm checking the flop here a lot, there are no draws other than KJ and J10, you're never getting an ace to fold for one bet and you're never getting called by worse other than maybe QJ but even then........

If you want to rep an ace, then it has to be run on multiple streets. Is AK checking back turn?

If you ck the flop and then either V2 bets and V1 folds or V2 checks then V1 bets, are you calling OTT here?

Or would you call in the first scenario and not the 2nd because in the 2nd scenario you still have V2 left to act behind you?

If V2 bets and then V1 calls, I'm folding KQ here because odds are that one of them has a hand that beats me.

I would check/call a flop bet. If either V bet flop and turn it's a fold.

I wouldn't be able to c/c the flop because I'm last to act. That's why my question revolves around what you would do on the turn. Having said that, what's your line?

This line is an easy standard fold. BB most likely had Ax and called your raise. Checks to you to see how you act. Your check on the turn says you're afraid of the ace. River bet by him is for value; he's hoping you have KK or Qx. Since you don't have much info, you should fold.

How does Hero have $450 in a $200 max game if he's "not winning or losing"?

Unfortunately, our only reads on V are of pre-flop action. We have no idea how they play post flop. Against, a generic V, it's a pretty easy fold on the river. Look to see how he plays post flop in hands that you're not involved in. If it turns out that he's the kind of guy that would bet the river with less than an ace, then you can exploit him in the future. Fold for now though.

You can buy into the 200max game anywhere between $100-$400. I consider being up $50 essentially breaking even.

I see what you're saying with understanding their tendencies.

The only thing that got to me was when I folded my KQo to his bet on the river, he showed JTo for a busted gutshot draw.

He called with a gutshot draw OOP OTF.

I'm pretty sure I'm folding in game as his hand looks very much like a weak ace, but given our read that he bets small when weak, $75 into $175 is def on the small side. I often have issues going with my reads when conventional wisdom tells me that the spot is trivial, but if we want to improve we need to learn to trust our reads. Obv I'm being results oriented.

Yeah, I think I'm just being results oriented.

But idk, wouldn't he opt for a c/c line if he had a weak Ace cuz what hand that he beats actually calls him?

propably bet turn small, you can be called on flop with QJ, and Q10.
and then check river.

but its easier when you know the result ha.

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I don't want to bet the turn small because it increases the propensity of V to bluff here.

How is it $200max if you can buy in for $400?

I'm guessing it's a spread game $4-$200 max

$200 is the max bet. For example, if somebody bets $80, you can raise to $280 max.

The BI is $100-$400.

ah, makes sense.

I ****ing hate that rule fwiw

Grunch,
I wouldn't Cbet here unless my plan is to double barrel. In fact, that's true in most scenarios. As played fold.
Our V was in mid position and limped, so I'd weight his range toward Axs and A10-A8. A double barrel will fold out a lot of these hands against most players in my experience.