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Nuts on the turn VS tilting reg Nuts on the turn VS tilting reg

04-14-2013 , 12:50 AM
1/2 NL

Hero: LAG. already busted this villain for 2 full buy ins. Currently table captain. Late 20's

Villain: Early 20's playing too loose and using aggressive actions at the wrong time and vice versa with being passive.

All hands have occurred on villains SB:

First buy in: He 3 bets my button raise hero holds 88 flats. Flop AQ8 he donks, I shove and he snap calls with AK.

Second buy in: I open the button for 17 with KQdd he flats flop KQ9r. he c/r my 25 dollar cbet to 90 I move all in he calls. Board finishes KQ9J8 he mucks.

Villain sb: 400
Hero B: covers


2 players limp in MP hero raises to 20 on button with Q9dd. Villain calls both limpers fold. Pot 46$

Flop: KdAd3s.

Villain checks. Hero bets 25$ villain c/r to 85$ hero flats. Pot (216$)

Turn: 6d

Villain checks hero ?
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04-14-2013 , 01:00 AM
This V seems to overcommit on good, but non-nut hands. I expect he has something like AK again here or something like AQ. I don't think he will call anything weaker than this.

With that said, in case he is dumber than we think, I'd bet something like 75 in the hopes he has a set that he just can't let go. Without more details, I can't tell whether checking would induce him to spew the river.
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04-14-2013 , 01:10 AM
Well it depends how big his hand is. The hand with KQ where he mucked I was 100% certain after the river he had to have some kind of hand that beat me so I have no idea if maybe he had AA there or K9. Those are about the only two hands I could come to with a little bit of AK being a possibility. If that's the case then he didn't really stack off that light for the flop for a basic thinking reg. We also haven't been in a situation like this against him on action further than the turn. If the guy is just gonna hold on to anything with showdown value then it doesn't matter if we move in now or set up for a river shove. If he actually somehow as equity to beat us we might as well bet and prevent him from getting a free look at us. I don't think this turn can ever be checked back right here.
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04-14-2013 , 01:18 AM
I agree that it's likely he stacked off with an inferior 2 pair in example 1.

I also agree with the turn bet. The reason i'd opt for $75 is that I suspect he has 2 pair or a total bluff. This gives him a chance to make a bad call with 2p or spaz with a bluff. There is a small chance he has a set, in which case he has odds to call here, but frankly, I think if he has a set, he will shove on you regardless of what you bet.
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04-14-2013 , 01:24 AM
Hero leads turn for 80$ Villain quickly calls. (Pot: 376)

River: 3h

Villain leads for 150$ Hero?
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04-14-2013 , 01:30 AM
That's definitely not what you wanted to see.

You are now getting 3.5:1 odds with the nut flush though. I think you are good here more than 22%, so I call, but not happily. I don't think you are good here often enough to make it +EV to put his last 75 or so in, so I would not raise.
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04-14-2013 , 01:34 AM
What hands do you think he is leading into this river with? What hands can he have here that allow us to ever raise profitably?
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04-14-2013 , 01:36 AM
This hand you are looking to get him all in. Bet it in such a way that you think he will go for it.
If you lose him it means you weren't going to make much anyway.
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04-14-2013 , 01:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Zee
This hand you are looking to get him all in. Bet it in such a way that you think he will go for it.
If you lose him it means you weren't going to make much anyway.
Translation..."Raise his last 75"?
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04-14-2013 , 01:40 AM
To raise profitably, you would have to exclude a fh from his range more than 50%. I would range him like this personally, which is why I feel you shouldn't raise:

(adjusted slightly)
Total bluff/AK/A6: 30%
33/KK: 30%
AA: 10%
A3: 30%

Your entire equity here comes from the bluff/AK range, which is why I would call, but I would expect to be beat most of the time. Unfortunately, based on your prior experiences, I think you have the odds to call.
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04-14-2013 , 01:42 AM
You do raise here on the end. He is all in and can't raise back so you are protected. Lots of hands he can have you that you beat. And your raise is small and he won't fold anything but a full bluff.
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04-14-2013 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Starpoker
To raise profitably, you would have to exclude a fh from his range more than 50%. I would range him like this personally, which is why I feel you shouldn't raise:

(adjusted slightly)
Total bluff/AK/A6: 30%
33/KK: 30%
AA: 10%
A3: 30%

Your entire equity here comes from the bluff/AK range, which is why I would call, but I would expect to be beat most of the time. Unfortunately, based on your prior experiences, I think you have the odds to call.
He has to have lower flushes in his range as well considering the action he has given us. I don't really think if this guy had a flush with us on the turn that he ever considered he was behind in the hand and that the 3 improved us.
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04-14-2013 , 01:50 AM
Also is this guy, who I think it would be presumable, is somewhat on tilt if not at least seriously aggravated that we have been holding over him - can he flat in the sb with AA/KK here ever? With two limpers behind?
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04-15-2013 , 12:50 AM
Shove turn, with the ace and the king out there you have less flushes in your range. Setting up for a committed river looks super strong. He's never folding a flush, a set, and maybe not even 2 pair. By betting light you let him draw cheaply, when you shove he sometimes hero calls you with one pair (ace).
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04-15-2013 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jambre
Shove turn, with the ace and the king out there you have less flushes in your range. Setting up for a committed river looks super strong. He's never folding a flush, a set, and maybe not even 2 pair. By betting light you let him draw cheaply, when you shove he sometimes hero calls you with one pair (ace).
I think shoving the turn will probably scare him away. He has close to $300 behind and the propensity to check raise. I say a 1/2 pot bet on the turn around $110 and hope he has a smaller flush to stack off with. If the river comes and it's another diamond I think you'll lose value.
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04-15-2013 , 01:26 AM
I'm guessing he had A3 right? It's the only hand that makes sense for him to check the turn. I would assume he would fire out a set on the turn.

I'd lead for about $150 on the turn. It'd put him to a decision for half his stack there. $80 looks weak to me.
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04-15-2013 , 02:02 AM
This guy is a bad player. He is tilting possibly. So he can have all sorts of hands he would be willing to get all in with. This is live poker where emotions change a persons play. You aren't going to find better spots to build a pot to bust someone. His bet on the end in no way means he filled up. Many players will bet figuring they are calling all in anyway and this way they may save money. Its just how they think.
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04-15-2013 , 07:55 AM
150-180 on the turn, shove any river. it looks to me like 2 pair, make him pay.
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07-24-2013 , 02:21 PM
**** I completely forgot that I didn't conclude this thread.

I sigh snap call and he tables KK.

puke.
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07-24-2013 , 02:25 PM
Sigh/call is fine. His range is pretty wide based on your description. He could easily just be trying to bluff the river because, well, he's a spewy player and that might be the only way to win.

I think you could have made it a little more on the turn and accomplished the same thing.

Overall though, nice hand. It happens.
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07-24-2013 , 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jambre
Shove turn, with the ace and the king out there you have less flushes in your range. Setting up for a committed river looks super strong. He's never folding a flush, a set, and maybe not even 2 pair. By betting light you let him draw cheaply, when you shove he sometimes hero calls you with one pair (ace).
i love a shove actually in this spot...it looks super bluffy and hes almost never giving you credit for a flush...i also dont mind a bet of like $110 or so...as played i call river he probably has a3 but other flushes will playu this way too
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07-24-2013 , 03:55 PM
Was it really that hard to play this hand? I think you meant to put this in BBV.
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07-24-2013 , 07:40 PM
I'f he's got a FH then cool for him. I'm betting around 1/2 Pot OTT and getting it in there if need be. Since he calls and leads OTR I'm raising, All In.

He probably doesn't have AA or KK. Could definitely have 33 in his range. I highly doubt he has 66 because he check/raises that flop. I don't see him check/raising with 63 OTF either. So, that leaves us with one hand, 33, that beats us, and he just made quads. OR he has some monkey played J/10 high flush which is far more likely.
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07-24-2013 , 07:42 PM
V tables KK... weak. what a turd. haha

Never folding after we make our flush. Well pretty much never folding.
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