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10-18-2019 , 01:21 PM
1. Hand one, yes, we're +2. I did fold and felt gross about it. What do you guys think about a 3 bet range of JJ+, AQs+, and AKo? Folding to a 4 bet with everything except KK+ sound good?

2. I agree, I ultimately should've bet the river.
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10-20-2019 , 03:39 AM
I broke a fish today. Made him go wild and I don't know if I adjusted well once he went on tilt. Any general advice?

So I kept raising his limps when I was on the button or co because he'd fold and the people to my left were weak tight. I even did it with complete garbage a few times because he would always fold. Table was just super loose passive limp/foldy. Eventually he starts threatening to come over the top some time, never does it. I'm accumulating a big pile of singles (1/3 stakes) from taking his limp money. He then starting getting really aggravated.

I iso him with KQ when he's short, he shoves I call and he slams his K7 down when K flops and then he takes a walk when I show him he's out kicked.

After his reload I raised 33 from EP (note: I think I need to just quit "The Course" open pp and Axs from everywhere thing) and he calls. I bet at Q73tt and he raises me. I get more chips into my hand for a reraise and goes "go ahead, go all in with your flush draw! I know you have a flush draw." It was odd for him to say that because I've never ran a big bluff on him like a flop 3bet semi bluff, just merciless iso+cbet. I shove in for 1.5x pot figuring he's going ape with a queen. He had over setted me with 77.

Next I iso him with As8s. He calls and declares "I'm check/raising blind! You bet I'll raise you!" Flop is 467tt no spade. I don't believe he'll raise and if he is just blind doing it I figure my Ahi is good. I bet half pot he raises 2/3 pot and I call. 8 comes but makes a flush and he shoves for like 2.5x so I fold. I say "come on show the bluff!" He shows, he raised me on the flop with a straight draw and turned a one card flush draw for the shoved combo draw.

Table shifted to be much more "see flop at any price" at that point because he convinced everyone I never had it. I tightened up a little but not enough and even opening 20 with good hands like AQs would get 4 callers.
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10-20-2019 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
I broke a fish today. Made him go wild and I don't know if I adjusted well once he went on tilt. Any general advice?
I don't really see an issue with any of these, except maybe the A8s flop peel, I think if I felt like V was getting truly out of line I might 3-bet the flop, and otherwise I think you just don't have enough good turn cards to warrant a peel.

On the underset hand, this is pretty much the dream, fish who thinks you're full of it and GII, just sucks that V has pretty much the only thing better than yours, but if the fish is wide open pre they'll show up with all sorts of Qx, maybe even 7x, and sometimes just be spazzing with a random 99 or whatever.
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10-20-2019 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BlindingLaser
I don't really see an issue with any of these, except maybe the A8s flop peel, I think if I felt like V was getting truly out of line I might 3-bet the flop, and otherwise I think you just don't have enough good turn cards to warrant a peel.



On the underset hand, this is pretty much the dream, fish who thinks you're full of it and GII, just sucks that V has pretty much the only thing better than yours, but if the fish is wide open pre they'll show up with all sorts of Qx, maybe even 7x, and sometimes just be spazzing with a random 99 or whatever.
Ok so just variance. On the underset hand, yeah he's pretty wide pre and I was thinking he was just happy he finally had any sdv to play back with.

However, I think I needed to take my foot off the LAG pedal after this with everyone else though because my image went to hell and the table dynamic changed with a couple fresh players being calling stations instead of weak loose. I kept up the hyper LAG setting I was on for a few hours when I was steamrolling the weak loose table and got bit.
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10-20-2019 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
Ok so just variance. On the underset hand, yeah he's pretty wide pre and I was thinking he was just happy he finally had any sdv to play back with.

However, I think I needed to take my foot off the LAG pedal after this with everyone else though because my image went to hell and the table dynamic changed with a couple fresh players being calling stations instead of weak loose. I kept up the hyper LAG setting I was on for a few hours when I was steamrolling the weak loose table and got bit.
Oh yeah, that's a different story then. Just from the hands you posted, I don't see anything wrong, but your c-bet rate when you whiff needs to go waaay down in this scenario, if it doesn't you're going to end up losing a lot of small-medium pots.
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10-20-2019 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BlindingLaser
Oh yeah, that's a different story then. Just from the hands you posted, I don't see anything wrong, but your c-bet rate when you whiff needs to go waaay down in this scenario, if it doesn't you're going to end up losing a lot of small-medium pots.
They were separate but related things happening at the table at the same time. Me stacking off/almost stacking off light with the guy on tilt might've been causing me to get called more lightly but others when opening oop.
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10-20-2019 , 07:02 PM
1/3 In SB with black QQ. $450 stack eff with UTG +2, lots of $200 and $300 stacks. A TAG UTG+2 opens to $15 and 4 people call. Not a single TAG or balanced LAG among the callers, all stations or loose weak. There's a lot of dead money here so I feel like I need to go really big, how does $120 out of the small blind sound for sizing?
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10-21-2019 , 02:32 AM
(3+n)x (n callers) is default size for a squeeze, and add one more for being out of position. So that would be 3 + 4 + 1 = 8, and 8x15 is 120.

In other words, $120 here isn't going really big; it's standard.
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10-21-2019 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
1/3 In SB with black QQ. $450 stack eff with UTG +2, lots of $200 and $300 stacks. A TAG UTG+2 opens to $15 and 4 people call. Not a single TAG or balanced LAG among the callers, all stations or loose weak. There's a lot of dead money here so I feel like I need to go really big, how does $120 out of the small blind sound for sizing?
In before GG says flat

But yeah, that's the exact sizing I'd use
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10-21-2019 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
(3+n)x (n callers) is default size for a squeeze, and add one more for being out of position. So that would be 3 + 4 + 1 = 8, and 8x15 is 120.

In other words, $120 here isn't going really big; it's standard.
A standard amount can be still be big! And thanks, this was how I got to it so I wanted to double check.
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10-21-2019 , 07:48 PM
Question: What is the best way to adjust my preflop ranges in late position vs limpers who don’t fold?

My current strategy is to raise bigger (like 5-6bb plus 1bb per limper) with a narrower linear range, and overcall with the more speculative hands in my range which don’t play well post flop with a lower SPR.

Is this the right way to think about it?

This is assuming none of the Villains left to act are likely to be overly aggressive and no one has a short stack in which case I would have a raising only range.
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10-22-2019 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FreeportMainePoker
Question: What is the best way to adjust my preflop ranges in late position vs limpers who don’t fold?

My current strategy is to raise bigger (like 5-6bb plus 1bb per limper) with a narrower linear range, and overcall with the more speculative hands in my range which don’t play well post flop with a lower SPR.

Is this the right way to think about it?

This is assuming none of the Villains left to act are likely to be overly aggressive and no one has a short stack in which case I would have a raising only range.
Yes. Why bloat the pot with a hand like 66 or 98s and go mw every time when we can just get in for 1 BB and still get paid off when we hit a big hand?

5-6x + BB/limped is probably too small though. In my games my base raising size is 8x + BB/limper and 10x + BB/limper from the blinds.
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10-22-2019 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Yes. Why bloat the pot with a hand like 66 or 98s and go mw every time when we can just get in for 1 BB and still get paid off when we hit a big hand?

5-6x + BB/limped is probably too small though. In my games my base raising size is 8x + BB/limper and 10x + BB/limper from the blinds.
Are you serious? That's huge range size. (Not being critical, genuinely surprised)

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10-22-2019 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FreeportMainePoker
Question: What is the best way to adjust my preflop ranges in late position vs limpers who don’t fold?
My personal opinion (which is highly outvoted around here) is more-or-less the only reason to raise is to narrow the field; so if that is unlikely to happen, we probably shouldn't be raising almost anything here. The exceptions would be (a) when we're (semi-) happy enough to simply commit TP/overpair type hands in a multiway raised pot due to the small SPR (which almost all raised pots going multiway with non-deep stacks will be, so make sure you're happy enough with the IO you're offering if you're handcuffing yourself to stackoff postflop) or (b) when we're super deep (where we can do whatever we want cuz a super high and very playable SPR will be created regardless of what we do).

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10-22-2019 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
Are you serious? That's huge range size. (Not being critical, genuinely surprised)
7.5x, but same thing, but yeah anything less is guaranteed mw in my games
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10-22-2019 , 01:12 PM
1/2, 9 handed, $40 lol effective with fish in CO, $250 effective with slightly loose of center and slightly passive of center OK post flop 1/2 villain in SB. Hero has a TAG, winning image.

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Hero opens $15 HJ A 4, fish calls (lol) HJ, SB calls.

Flop ($47): 8 5 2. X to hero who bets $25, and only SB calls.

Turn ($97): 4. X-x.

River ($97): 3. X, we $50. Thoughts?
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10-22-2019 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FreeportMainePoker
Question: What is the best way to adjust my preflop ranges in late position vs limpers who don’t fold?

My current strategy is to raise bigger (like 5-6bb plus 1bb per limper) with a narrower linear range, and overcall with the more speculative hands in my range which don’t play well post flop with a lower SPR.

Is this the right way to think about it?

This is assuming none of the Villains left to act are likely to be overly aggressive and no one has a short stack in which case I would have a raising only range.
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Yes. Why bloat the pot with a hand like 66 or 98s and go mw every time when we can just get in for 1 BB and still get paid off when we hit a big hand?

5-6x + BB/limped is probably too small though. In my games my base raising size is 8x + BB/limper and 10x + BB/limper from the blinds.
Alexander "assassinato" Fitzgerald recommends (6 + 2n)x where n is the number of limpers. He also recommends being sure you aren't going to be three-bet by someone after you.

One thing you can do as you settle into a game is conduct a secret auction, by starting with an open at a reasonable size, say (4 + n)x, and adding to it every time you raise and get a multiway pot, until you find a size that lets you get heads-up in position most of the time.

And yeah, when you make big opens and iso-raises, you want to tighten up, because if you don't, people will notice that you are raising a lot and raising big a lot, and you'll become a sitting duck. If your range is strong, though, you are less vulnerable.
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10-22-2019 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
1/2, 9 handed, $40 lol effective with fish in CO, $250 effective with slightly loose of center and slightly passive of center OK post flop 1/2 villain in SB. Hero has a TAG, winning image.

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Hero opens $15 HJ A 4, fish calls (lol) HJ, SB calls.

Flop ($47): 8 5 2. X to hero who bets $25, and only SB calls.

Turn ($97): 4. X-x.

River ($97): 3. X, we $50. Thoughts?
Bet more on the river. We got there, we want to get paid for it. Bet $100.
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10-22-2019 , 04:14 PM
Agree with bigger sizing. Could even over-bet here, we are always good. Villain leads 66, A6s and 76s on the river after x x turn IMO
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10-22-2019 , 04:30 PM
Excellent points Alan and FreeportMaine, thanks.
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10-22-2019 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

And yeah, when you make big opens and iso-raises, you want to tighten up, because if you don't, people will notice that you are raising a lot and raising big a lot, and you'll become a sitting duck. If your range is strong, though, you are less vulnerable.
Where were in my last session?!

I started bombing the limpers really hard with a wide range in my game because they kept folding so I was hoovering limp money. Then a couple seats changed from weak limpers to total stations and I put a weak limper on tilt. I didn't tighten up enough and donked off my winnings after that.
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10-23-2019 , 09:34 AM
1/2, 9 handed, $200 effective. Villain is clearly a loose rec, but I've only been playing with him about an hour so not too much on him. Hero presumably has a TAG/nitty image.

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Villain straddles BTN $5, we $25 SB T T and only BTN calls.

Flop ($52): Q 3 3. X-x. Is checking here a huge mistake? Should we be betting to deny equity and get value from pp's? If so, what sizing?

Turn ($52): 5. Hero? Sizing?
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10-23-2019 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
1/2, 9 handed, $200 effective. Villain is clearly a loose rec, but I've only been playing with him about an hour so not too much on him. Hero presumably has a TAG/nitty image.

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Villain straddles BTN $5, we $25 SB TNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions: TNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions: and only BTN calls.

Flop ($52): QNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions 3Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions 3Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:. X-x. Is checking here a huge mistake? Should we be betting to deny equity and get value from pp's? If so, what sizing?

Turn ($52): 5Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions. Hero? Sizing?
Yes, bet flop for value and equity denial. Half pot would look good to me.
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10-23-2019 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
1/2, 9 handed, $200 effective. Villain is clearly a loose rec, but I've only been playing with him about an hour so not too much on him. Hero presumably has a TAG/nitty image.

OTTH

Villain straddles BTN $5, we $25 SB T T and only BTN calls.

Flop ($52): Q 3 3. X-x. Is checking here a huge mistake? Should we be betting to deny equity and get value from pp's? If so, what sizing?

Turn ($52): 5. Hero? Sizing?
Definitely c-bet the flop. Even with the frontdoor heart draw, this flop is hella dry and it misses most of the villain's range. We should be betting in this close with to 100% of our range, and so we should be betting . As always, with range betting, we should size down, to about $12 to $15.
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10-23-2019 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
1/2, 9 handed, $200 effective. Villain is clearly a loose rec, but I've only been playing with him about an hour so not too much on him. Hero presumably has a TAG/nitty image.

OTTH

Villain straddles BTN $5, we $25 SB T T and only BTN calls.

Flop ($52): Q 3 3. X-x. Is checking here a huge mistake? Should we be betting to deny equity and get value from pp's? If so, what sizing?

Turn ($52): 5. Hero? Sizing?
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Definitely c-bet the flop. Even with the frontdoor heart draw, this flop is hella dry and it misses most of the villain's range. We should be betting in this close with to 100% of our range, and so we should be betting . As always, with range betting, we should size down, to about $12 to $15.
So let's make you the button. SB bets 12-15 into a $52 pot. What's your plan?
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