I can't tell you how much I hate the flop check. You are at the toppest top of your range, bet for the love of all that's holy. You get called by draws and probably any pair better than 66. If you flop JJ2 rainbow you can check, I probably don't but it's defensible.

Turn raise is mandatory given you checked flop, the only thing I like about this line is that you look FOS.

River, eh I sometimes check back and sometimes make a value bet of about $100 and then fold to a raise. I'm leaning more to a bet here because two pairs and sets will pay you off.

No. Nobody good is telling you to check back the river.

Fold to the check raise is very probably the right play unless villain is bluffy or tricky enough to check raise his sets on the river

But river is a slam dunk value bet when checked to

5/5, 900 eff
UTG+1 open to 20
Folds to me in BB with QTss
Flop TT9r, no space
I check, V bets 30

Flat or raise? How do we play our continuing range here?

Reads would be useful, even in a low stress thread.

I'm just calling with pretty much everything except perhaps AT and 99. I guess for me this hand depends a lot on whether V opens hands like JTs, QJs, ATs, and KTs from EP.

I'd just call and evaluate for now. We have trips with a good kicker, but unless this is the type of opponent to put in all the money with an overpair, I wouldn't want to play for stacks.

What exactly are we evaluating on the turn?
Are you really MUBSY that V has A-10 or 99 already?

I guess you could call it MUBSY, or cautious. I am not punting off my entire stack with one of the worst trips (beating only JT) against V's EP opening range if he opens T9, KT, and AT. I am likely putting in a c/r depending on V's sizing ott on safe turns (no J, 8, K), and of course leading river large if he checks back turn (which he could do with all OPs).

The sad truth of the matter is that against a good opponent we're unlikely to get much action unless he has us beat.

But what about when the turn goes x/x as it often will?
You have a $100 pot by the river and your ‘large river’ bet won’t even be possible.

If I was ever just calling this flop bet I’m more likely to donk the turn than go for a x/r there. I don’t see how you’re worried about playing for stacks, but want to x/r the turn either. That seems counterintuitive to what you’re saying.

If V best on the larger size ott I'm still just calling. If he bets smaller, as he might do with an OP, I'm definitely putting in the raise.

If V bets on the larger size ott I'm still just calling. If he bets smaller, as he might do with an OP, I'm definitely putting in the raise.

Thanks El Barbero, as a side note do you prefer to bet hands with no sdv like Qx and check with sdv like QQ

Here is a sicko 1300bb hand from saturday night that i wasn't in:

BTN: 20yo up and coming pro, plays a GTO-ish style, but he has position on some whales tonight so he is fairly LAG here. Stack covers.

BB: 30ish non-pro reg. Solid LAG with good fundamentals, 3bets a bunch and can take some aggressive, exploitive lines. He is the effective stack with ~3200.

OTTH:
Whale from MP raises 30.
BTN 3bets to 130
BB has AK and 4bets to 400.
Only BTN calls.

Flop (835)
Td6s4s

BB bets 400
BTN calls.

Turn (1635)
9h
Check, check

River (1635)
Jd
BB checks,
BTN overbet shoves for 2400 effective.
BB tanks 5+ minutes and calls.

So, questions that i have:
1: How good/bad is Hero's line?
2: What is villains range here?
3: Should Hero call?
4: How much does it matter that Hero does not have a ?

Dr Beech Imeant the pf hand strength; you are going to set JJJ the normal amount of times and sometimes get flushed. 3:1 otr is a pretty good deal for when it's your time to lose with top set.

Quite Threadworthy IMO

1. I like pre and flop, maybe a little less on flop. I probably bet fold turn.
2. I’d guess 910s+ 88-jj q10-kjs maybe a couple axs and kxs
3. Probably not unless a great read on him.
4. It makes it a better call without a spade, with a spade it’s a snap fold imo

Haven’t played this high in years but I bet a high was good

A little zinger from two nights ago, commentary is welcome.

1/3 game, 450 effective with V who is UTG.

V seems to be your fairly straight-forward MAWG. Limps mostly and raises occasionally.

Hero is dealt A4

UTG raises to $12.
HJ calls $12.
Hero calls $12.
SB and BB call $12.

Flop ($60)

Q 9 7

Checks to UTG who bets $12, HJ folds, Hero raises to $40. SB and BB fold.
UTG then re-raises to make it $100 total.

I feel like it's close here but I make the call.

Turn ($260): 3

UTG bets $45.

Hero shoves all in for $338.

Villain tank calls

River ($936): 3

And I'm dead.

Just had to share.

1/3NL
V1 Reg. I've seen him at 2/5 before. Sat with $500 about 20 mins ago and has opened to $25 twice. No one else at this table opens for more than 15. First time he got no callers. Second time a limper called him and V folded to a flop bet. ($450)

V2 is MABG. Kinda LP, but sometimes shoves post light when his stack gets below $100 ($165)

Hero (MAWG semi reg) (covers)

V1 opens to $20 in MP. V2 calls in CO.

Hero calls OTB with red TT.

Pot $60
Flop AcJc3c
Checks through.

Turn AcJc3cTs
V1 leads $35
V2 calls.
Hero raises to ?

I think I like around $140-150 here Garick.

If we knew it was going to go 5ways to the flop then I can't hate too much on preflop, but with just one caller to us at this point I mostly fold.

I think I lean to just calling the flop. We're getting great odds and we can just see what happens in position where we'll have options. If others come along to pad the pot, great, and we probably play a little more straightforward. If it ends up HU we can perhaps try to move raiser off what looks like a weak hand if he checks turn.

We probably have to call the reraise getting over 3:1 and in position.

I'm also shoving the turn. Villain has indicated he has a monster with preflop/flop play so I doubt he's folding.

River is irrelevant.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I'm fine with preflop.

Think I'm either/or on flop. Against normal raisers who have a tighter range and likely aren't folding their underpair for one bet, then I'm cooler with a check behind. Against a wide raiser (which this guy looks to be) and no one betting this drawy board (typically people bet to protect against draws) I think I might lean to putting in a small no more than 1/2 PSB in here and see if that just ends things.

On the turn I'd probably raise to put V2 all in. Although if V1 continues to come along I might actually end up hating life.

Regarding preflop, dude has raised to more than the table "average" and has got multiple callers 2 out of 3 times. This is another reason I lean to larger preflop raises (especially with smaller stacks to setup desired SPRs); people want to play hands and eventually they'll start paying the new going rate. IMO.

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No. He has raised to larger than the table average and got multiple callers one out of three times. He got one caller one, and no callers once. After his next open to $20 or $25 (I don't remember which) he also got no callers and someone said "you do know this is the 1/3 table, right? After that, he moved his open sizes down into the normal table range.

This table had a wider range than the one I was at when I posted my last hand, though. I was able to get away with $18-20 if there were a couple of limpers and usually get at least one call. It was also less limpy, with someone usually opening over the limpers, though the one time I tried a l/rr, I instead just got two overlimpers. Figures.

90. Gove the shorty a chance to shove so you can shove over him.

Does this work enough though? I find a lot of times even though people are putting in like lol 95% of their stack they are perfectly fine still leaving the 5% behind instead of shoving it in themselves (so we miss value, especially if they are willing to call of the rest of it).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Often enough? No. In this specific situation where he is described as someone who shoves in the rest of his money post flop that we take note of it while he's short stacked, I think it's a reasonable option.

My bad, I misread.

Still, I think overall the raise sizing the field is willing to call can be a lot more fluid and less rigid than it sometimes appears.

Regarding limp/reraising, I think I was dealt AK like half a dozen times last session in EP, and yet only once did someone raise (and tables were decently raisey). Had nothing to do with me being in the pot either, that's just how it plays out sometimes.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I understand the fear with these dominated aces, but I'm not going to lose a big pot on an Axx board if there is serious action. We're like 150bb deep here and actually programs like pokersnowie would consider this a great 3bet hand.

I definitely need to look more into how these small Axs play and just how to incorporate them into my game. On one hand there's the fear of playing a dominated weak ace, but against a straight-forward MAWG and in position I don't think I should be losing too much.

I was personally deciding between 3bet or call but decided on call against an opponent who isn't preflop raising much and is straightforward postflop.

Yeah, I think calling and making a raise are both fine. Raising usually allows me to take control of the hand and I can always check back the turn if I miss. It also allows me to build the pot for the times that I do hit.

I would sometimes just call here, but when he bets $12 into $60 I got a little frisky. I feel like if he bet like $40-50 into $60 I'd lean more towards call.

Yeah, this was my reasoning. We're getting like 3.5 to 1 on the turn.